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You do know you can add a roush charger and retain warranty right? And you do know there are dealers (cough cough) that can do it for you also right?

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I could buy an ideal spec F150 Super Crew with a 5.0, install a blower, lower it, add suspension stuff, and put on performance tires... but I sure would love an OEM-tuned package with a warranty. As it is, I wouldn't do any of this to my truck until the warranty is out, which will be 6 years from now. I'd much rather just buy an OEM package, like the Lightning, and drive away. Just the phase of life I'm at right now. I don't want to constantly be working on my daily driver. If something breaks, I want to drop it off at the dealer and let them deal with it. I want a 700HP street truck with a warranty.

This isn't really about options, or dealer installed options. It's really about an OEM truck. I'm prodding at the hivemind on why OEMs never revisited the race truck. Seems like everything is getting a race version lately so why not trucks...

"performance Truck" is somewhat of a subjective thing - they still make them in the form of the Raptor, Chevy Z71, F-150 Tremor, and Dodge Rebel TRX, but they old school "muscle trucks" like you are talking about have kind of died on the vine. I suspect they don't make them because there are like 6 people who would buy them and 3 of those people are on this forum, and 2 of the 6 probably can't get approved for financing or insurance.

 

Hot Rod and Muscle trucks tend to be a product of regulation. When muscle cars died out in the 1970's because of insurance and emissions, the emissions exempt and differently rate tabled trucks became the go to for go-fast with the Dodge little red express, Big block Chevys, and 460 fords. When fuel mileage became the bottleneck for performance cars in the 80's and 90's, the big three when to the fuel mileage exempt trucks again and built the 454SS, 2wd 5.9 ram (and later SRT10 ram), and Lightning.

 

Right now, performance cars are in their second golden age, and really there is no reason to look at the trucks for a cheat around a set of rules. But that doesn't mean the bones aren't there - a 2wd F150 tremor is a set of lowering springs away from being a modern day lightning. Ram will sell you a bare bones 2wd tradesman with the 5.7 hemi, and Chevy will sell an LS powered 2wd LT even if it is the 5.3 (I hear turbos work well on them). The big three just don't see a need to offer you a sticker and name job for 6 people that would buy them over a challenger/camaro/mustang/SS/SHO/Charger/etc...

 

Now I will say since dodge's business model seems to be "hellcat all the things" there are rumors of a 2021 hellcat ram road truck, but right now that is for a quad cab truck. The Rebel TRX is supposed to be hellcat powered but it's a raptor competitor. I will say this though - a buddy of mine just bought an TrackHawk Gran Cherokee, and if you don't need a bed that's kind of the next best thing to a muscle truck.

This is a really well thought out reply, I had not considered the impact of the fuel economy bullshit at the time. I still think there's a market for this that's less than 0, but maybe the consumer has just moved on to bro-dozer bullshit since there's no real reason to push the consumer on a race truck?

Something I hadn't really thought about, Jeep does make the hellcat Grand Cherokee which 100% fits the bill of "race truck" IF it were actually a truck. If there's a market for these, surely there's a market for a similarly equipped truck?

you mean, you want a truck for how you're going to use it vs. how the marlboro man would? :lolguy:

 

if you want a street truck, are you sure you want a truck at all? porch makes what you want. so does MB. so does BMW. the muricans are still sellin 16k tow ratings and starbux points

Because yea, I'm not a Marlboro man and I never go off road. BUT no, SUV's and such -- even luxobarges -- don't fit my needs. I routinely haul server and tech equipment for my clients, which a truck is great for. Nevermind loads of mulch, landscaping stuff, kid crap, and all the other things I haul around. I work my truck, I just work it on the street.

2019 Ford F-150 Limited?

 

0-60 = 5.1 seconds

1/4mi = 13.7 sec

450hp/510lb.ft.

I could buy an ideal spec F150 Super Crew with a 5.0, install a blower, lower it, add suspension stuff, and put on performance tires... but I sure would love an OEM-tuned package with a warranty. As it is, I wouldn't do any of this to my truck until the warranty is out, which will be 6 years from now. I'd much rather just buy an OEM package, like the Lightning, and drive away. Just the phase of life I'm at right now. I don't want to constantly be working on my daily driver. If something breaks, I want to drop it off at the dealer and let them deal with it. I want a 700HP street truck with a warranty.

Been thinking about this a lot lately. I ask the hivemind: Why haven't manufacturers, or even the aftermarket for that matter, put out a race truck like the Lightning or Ram SRT-10? "Performance" trucks have gone the way of the Raptor, Z-71, upcoming Ram RTX, etc. -- even aftermarket like Shelby trucks are supercharged lifted bro-dozers.

I'd kill for a stock height or slightly lowered performance F150 Super Crew "Lightning" with bigger brakes and better road suspension and the Raptor EcoBoost or a supercharged Coyote, or a similarly set up Ram with the Hellcat, etc. Surely there has to be a market for road-mannered trucks with big fucking horsepower, right?

That should be a lot of fun. What is the compression on the motor?

Ended up coming in right at 9.8:1. Heads are 61cc chambers.

You got proof?

You know.

Why do you and I have a penchant for oddball shit? You're worse than I am, though. Good luck with it.

 

It's my extra car so step 1 is get it running, then step 2 is figure out what else I want to do with it, and step 3 is profit.

Any ideas? (Besides a Vette Ls and 6 speed swap, that is already on the list somewhere)

As long as I can still stomp you in a drag race.

Props to FCA...the new RAM is just an attractive-looking truck from every angle. It's just so disappointing how rust-prone they are.

Agree. If this Ram was the one to market when I bought in 2016, I would have had a vvvveeeerrrrrryyyyyyyyyy long look at it. It's a really nice truck.

While I'm ragging on GM "phoning it in"...

 

 

Interesting, GM! Instead of using your corporate logo, something you hold in high regard and cherish, you're going with an industrial script? How clever...

 

 

Ahh, that's right...Ford did that back in 2010.

 

Way to be original and groundbreaking in truck design, Chevrolet.

Ah, interesting. I forgot that Ford did this bullshit on the Raptor. I hate on there as well. The previous gen you have pictured here looks ridiculous. I never understood the F150 guys who buy a "Raptor style" grill for their truck to get this look.

Ugly.

But maybe I'm the one who is just out of touch, since I see this shit on the F150 forums all the time.

Could you have picked any bigger of a picture?

I could have, yea.

Ford did it first (like it or not). Seriously, just extend a chrome CHEVROLET bar and it's the same design.

 

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/9663924+re0+ar0+st0/163-0806-01z%2B2008-best-in-class-work-truck%2B2008-ford-super-duty-f250-front-view.jpg

 

GM: phoning it in since 1978.

To be fair, this is a bottom scraping XL work truck. The upmodels did not look nearly as bad.

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/121933761+re0+ar0+st0/2008-ford-f-series-super-duty-black.jpg

Though I don't think this is most aesthetically pleasing truck either, it's certainly better than this abomination GM is putting out.

Thought I'd put one more/final update out there. The "that escalated quickly" update.

So, I got it running OK earlier this fall. After some miles I drained the break in oil and was pretty surprised the amount of gold dust in it. I was pretty sure it was cam bearings given the age and mileage of the motor, and I kinda knew I was doing a risky swap based on mileage but wanted to go for it anyway. I decided rather than keep running it and contaminate my new stuff, and potentially destroy something and take out more new stuff, I'd go ahead and have the motor rebuilt. I had Rodeheavers about an hour south of Pittsburgh rebuild the motor into a 347 stroker with a Callies Compstar rotating assembly. They did an awesome job on the motor.

I decided "once and for all" that I'd stay N/A seeing as the 347 should help push me into the high 300's which is pretty much all I want in a convertible. So Tim Rodeheaver, the owner, talked me into swapping the F303 cam for an Anderson N41, and the ported GT40 intake to a Trick Flow Track Heat.

Got the engine in and had Rodeheavers tune it. Oh, I also had them throw in a set of FMS 3.73 gears while it was down there as well. Car made 350/362 on a Mustang dyno, which should be about 390/405 on a Dynojet. There's about 15 more in it if I swap to long tubes and an X pipe. Ran out of time to make that decision and I spent enough already, haha.

My kids helped me get it all washed up yesterday and took it for a cruise.

Look, it's a garage full of 80's Mustangs:

So, that's that. Project is a wrap. Car has one of the nicest street tunes I've ever driven. It drives like it did stock. Tim knows his stuff, should anyone out this way need Mustang work.

I dont see an issue with this - I will 100% buy it if they come out with this option.

Fuck, I think I would too. Might be the only thing to get me out of my F150.

I gotta say, my F150 has a 5.5' bed and I really wish it had at least the 6'. Hard to find Lariat crew cabs in a 6+ though. I have a bed extender which makes it bearable.

An extendable bed with full sides would be pretty cool if it wasn't heavy and bulky as shit. I hate my buddies Avalanche, part because of the lack of separation of dirty things but also because it would be useless with my kids. I'd have to take their seats out to use it which is a pain enough, but then obviously they couldn't come with me. Fuck all that noise.

COPO just means Central Office Production Order, it was primarily used by dealers for taxicabs, special order police cars, fleet vehicles, special color orders, trucks, hearse knock down kits, etc. It only became associated with performance when Yekno, nickey, Motion, and a few other dealers used it to order 427 camaros instead of doing the swaps in house. It still exists as fleet and commercial sales.

 

You don't need to be a millionaire to own a COPO car, just really good at reading trim tags. Plenty of 4 door 60's sedans in special colors and options are out there for not a lot of money - esp ex police and taxi cars. I had a friend in Louisiana that owned a COPO 1962 bel air 4 door. it was a 409 single carb automatic, ordered as a fleet car for an oil company in texas. I think the COPO special order was for the company's colors and not the 409 which was available on the sedan, and wagon in single carb format. I think it was destroyed in Katrina.

 

Good on GM for building this electronic drag racer, I really hope this gains more traction (pun intended) with the NHRA and we see more entries and more classes. Electric car and bike drag racing right now is pretty exciting and still largely grass roots, having a major mfg step up both legitimizes the sport and starts to prove to the aftermarket that the demand is there.

Neat bit of history. Perhaps naming this thing COPO is a nod to a future strategy of allowing some GM models to be ordered electric in certain circumstances? I could see an electric Camaro as an orderable option for fleet sales, etc. but not something stocked on dealer lots...

With ceramic tint? If so please lmk where

 

The good tint almost doubled the price but I don’t want to put cheap crap on there to turn purple and bubble up months later

Yea, ceramic. But it's a place here in Pittsburgh. You prolly don't want to drive for that.

I wish tint was not so damn expensive to do, I was quoted over $500 to do my bmw with ceramic tint and said screw that noise

Holy shit, where? I had my crew cab F150 done at a shop here and it was $229.

I picked up this exact tv to upgrade our master bedroom tv... it's awesome!

Seriously. Sound isn't even bad, either. Still gonna get a sound bar for it...