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look up "ad hominem" and then get back to me While I can understand why you feel the way you do about "those people", that doesn't make your feelings truth for EVERYONE. I am sure that it is difficult living amongst people that are trying to kill you. One must develop an "objectification" of the enemy to be able to kill without hesitation since it is either you or them. I do not blame you for this as it is normal to feel this way in your position but that does not somehow show that those feelings should be that way in a civilized society where "those people" are NOT trying to kill you. [quote=Infidel;1236058 No the "president" is standing behind the building of this attrocity. People that are rallying against this are NOT racist. Last I checked, being Muslim is not a race. Religious intimidation, you may have a small case, but not being so close to ground zero. Maybe you forgot that the hijackers were all Muslim. Maybe you forgot that the ones that carried out their attack against the world trade center met inside a Mosque. It's pouring salt into a wound is what the building is. It'll stand as a symbol for the radical muslims everywhere. You obviously didn't think of that in between the bleeding of your vagina. Open your eyes and stop watching MSNBC. As well the president SHOULD stand behind ignorant people trying to stop AMERICAN CITIZENS from building a place of worship. I love how conservative minded people always assume that I am a democrat and that I spend all day watching MSNBC. If you would pick up a book every once in awhile or change the channel from FOX you might learn a thing or two about the rest of the world. The reason I use the term racist is because if you saw a white person you would automatically assume they are not muslim but see a "darker skinned" person with a headwrap and they MUST be a terrorist. Yes I have to agree that all the 911 terrorists were muslim but that does not extrapolate into everything. Muslim does not equal terrorist just as terrorist does not equal muslim. You obviously did not read the first post or look up the Army of God as they are a Christian terrorist organization. What breeds terrorism is ignorance and blind faith. This could be anyone with a few specific character traits.

Ok, now your side of the story makes a bit more sense to me. If you have one small example of something, you just assume that EVERYTHING else MUST be just like that. If you would kindly let me know what part of the links I posted or what I said was "incomprehensible" I could try drawing a diagram or explaining in more simpler terms for you. Ieatrice got it right. Your friends constitute an amazingly small minority of farmland in the US. What did I say that is incorrect? Please let me know so I can better understand how the US works.

Wow. I'm sure that you can admit there are extremists of everything whether that be religion, fast food, monetary wealth, etc. Why do you seem to hate people that are different than yourself? I can only hope this sentiment is not shared by anywhere near the majority of the US as it is simply intellectually irresponsible. You had also mentioned that "they" speaking about people in Afghanistan I would assume are all less intelligent than people here. This is laughable at best since time and time again when investigations of suicide attacks are completed the perpetrators are usually college educated and describes as "normal". Our president is not planning on building a Mosque right next to or on top of ground zero. He is trying to stop a racist group of people from preventing AMERICANS from establishing a building of worship two blocks away. Muslims are different from Al Queda as much as Christians are different from The Army of God. Why is it if someone doesn't think exactly like you, your response isn't, "What information have you discovered that is so compelling? Please share it with me." It is instead, "I'll kill you with my shotgun!" I would laugh but this is so far past the point of funny it is scary that we can be so close minded sometimes.

But then who determines if/ when someone should die? Capital punishment has too much room for error. Your choice of words is already assuming the people are guilty and that is one of the major issues with the court system as it is. If you were the one on trial I'm sure you would want a fair chance to plead your case. Capital Punishment does have a *slightly* larger deterrent effect than just life in prison alone, but are the potential outcomes worth it? A person getting off when guilty is less of a concern to me than a person being killed that was completely innocent. No need for government sponsored personal retaliation. I can totally agree with this. Blaming Bush or Obama gets us nowhere because in the end Big Business is writing the checks for either one. We need to start from the ground up with governors, senators, and representatives to make any type of real change. The op gave the opening for a debate on politics and government and I like to take advantage of those opportunities when they are around. My views come from wanting the best for our county, our people, and our planet. If what I say is incorrect, I am happy to learn something new. If the tea party ran on real change, dropped Jesus and the anti Obama and anti reform sentiments, and proposed some good ideas for increasing government efficiency and lowering deficit, I would totally sign up.

I don't understand your point here. I never mentioned anything about cap and trade. Government should subsidize more of the desirable and renewable energy and move away from non renewable and dirty but I do not know if cap and trade is the best way of doing it. I'm not sold on it yet. I'm sorry for the confusion here. I am saying that k-12 has not had the priority that it should have. We are training kids to be lazy and have poor eating habits as well as other intellectually dishonest teachings. There should be more focus on k-12 and a reduction in the cost to go to a university so that it is available to everyone. The more we can educate the next generation, the better ideas and innovation we will see. While I do not want to compete for "lowest possible wage" against Asian companies we most definitely can make high quality products and pay a decent wage. Not everyone purchases the absolute cheapest product as there are other variables when you buy something. Minimum wage climbing as high as 7.30 an hour? This doesn't exactly seem "through the roof", haha. I made more than this cleaning up after people at AMC Easton. I guess I don't really understand what your point is here. You are pointing out a problem but not offering a solution. This is indicative of tea party thinking. You seem to have a very specific view of people in the US. I am not sure exactly where this comes from but just because this is how you see the US, doesn't quite make it so. The statements that you use are statements about the world and should be statements about yourself. You are generalizing an entire diverse population into one specific category of employment and worldview. This is ludicrous and simply not correct. While I agree with you that many people may "overvalue" themselves and under perform, this is simply not everyone. If I lost my job I would take what I could get and then look for better jobs making more money. This is logical. I lost my job and since I can't find another job that pays an artificially high wage, I will just do nothing. This is not logical. Since this is Columbus Racing I have a hard time with your statement about "one road being paved". I don't know where you live but I can't fill up my tank without driving through a construction zone. I completely agree that the tax cuts affect everyone. It would be silly to not acknowledge this but this is not the point. The point is how does the tax expiring affect the average person? the article you linked speaks to the tax cuts just vanishing but that is not what Obama is proposing. Here are some more articles on how it is planned (since nothing has been finalized yet) http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20100803/OPINION/100809947?p=1&tc=pg http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/27/stephen-hayes/so-called-wealthy-are-actually-small-business-owne/ http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2010/aug/08/johnny-isakson/isakson-warns-end-tax-cuts-will-result-historic-in/ Obama and congress would be making the best decision with the information that we have by not extending these tax cuts. I have been unable to find any source that says extending tax credits will hurt the average person and provides correct, check-able info. What congress and Obama have talked about it only stopping the tax credits for the high earners. They have entertained the idea of extending many of the other provisions in the Bush Tax Cut so to say that not extending it will "raise taxes on everyone" is not accurate. I think I saw this plan in a chain email last year. Every company that has a pension or retirement (not all of them do) facilitate it differently. Some are based on contributions only while some are based on stocks and shares of the company. This option doesn't directly create jobs as you are exchanging people, not adding to the jobs available. This "government takeover of retirement", to use conservative terms, would not fix the issue as many people who are eligible for retirement can't afford to retire due to depending on the system for care. This is also not assuming time and money spent to train all these recycled workers as well as the company in most cases would not be hiring people of the streets to fill in the newly vacated spots, they would promote people (which doesn't agree with the idea that this plan will cost business less and encourage hiring). I am hoping the private sector would take this on more. More government subsidies directed towards renewable energy would make R&D cost less for the private sector and help the spread of renewable energy. I never stated that we should tax companies more that do not adopt clean energy. Might be a good idea, actually. As far as West Virginia, lets focus on them. They are primarily a coal state because they have large amounts of coal available, obviously. Renewable forms of energy can be implemented ANYWHERE, that is part of the beauty of them. We could gradually switch those coal mines and refineries into wind, solar, thermal, and even nuclear. I also never stated we should "Ban" the use of coal. We do need it for now but lets get started in reducing our dependence on it. We have to start sometime, why not now? I now understand that you have no idea how the agricultural system works here in the US. There are HUGE subsidies on corn which is why it is in just about everything that we eat. The mega farms took over awhile ago and radioactive chemicals are used for fertilizer. The food we eat in the US is slowly killing us. We produce way too much meat which is why fast food restaurants came around in the first place. There are like 2 companies that own pretty much all the food production in the US. we need to get back to producing real, edible food that is high in nutrition as well as encourage people to eat it instead of cheap junk food(subsidized by the government).

Renewable energy is only expensive because it is not subsidized by the government nearly as much as fossil fuels. Get the government to back it and the prices go down. The more people that adopt it, the cost in general goes down. The more it spreads, the more JOBS CREATED and the more people employed. It's a domino effect. I don't know if I can quite agree with lower education always being a "high" priority but I do agree with most of the rest of this. I don't know a single person that has graduated college and then pursued and has a job in the same field as their degree. This could be addressed in many ways. I mentioned we need to "make things to sell" and that can be translated as creating "blue collar" jobs. These could be in the field of renewable energy, public works projects, or just simply not outsourcing so many jobs to other countries. I don't think everyone in the US seems themselves as "high paid cubicle jockeys". Not even everyone that works in a cubicle thinks they are high paid. I am unsure of why you dislike cubicle jobs as they do tend to pay at least somewhat decent wages and isn't that what we want? More jobs that pay well? To go over the point you made about bankers not going into construction, I don't understand what this is supposed to mean. I can only really speak for Ohio but working for the state makes bank. The average job pays about 20.00 per hour. These aren't the highest rates but easily and comfortably liveable. I understand as a result of the tax cuts going away, taxes for a small amount of the population will go up. They would be up whether Obama was president or Alf. They go up as no direct result from Obama and it is at least one of the few things that is in line with what he promised. If my tax rates go up that means I am making over 250,000 dollars per year (reported of course:)) If I am "barely scraping by on my mortgage" I need to get a more reasonable and sustainable home as I am living beyond my means. I hear a lot about small businesses will be hurting by this. This is a Republican "sneak attack" move as *some* business owners who report their income as personal income and make over 250,000 taxes will go up, they are still making over 250,000 dollars. In addition to this 98% of the population makes less than 250,000 AND people making up to 1 million dollars will still see lower rates than pre 2001 tax rates. What is wrong with this? This does not sound like the best method as who is paying for all the retirees? Businesses or the government? Isn't this going to cause business to go over seas? Taxes to go up? Besides that, isn't "forcing" people to retire a bit strong language? I like the idea of encouraging individual savings by tax benefit. There are many things that may not "fix" the economy but will surely help it grow and become more efficient. Public works projects focusing on clean and renewable energy production, not just sustainable but over production, a plateauing of population growth based on education, a fair implementation of taxes, more efficient and effective government spending and less government and big business interfering with my life. The pork will never get cut so long as big business controls the power in this country. Its not Democrats VS. Republicans, its big business VS. The People. The idea of "Government Homicide" for the fiscal benefit has been laid to rest a long time ago. It simply costs more to kill someone on death row than to keep someone in prison for life. We would have to WANT to do this regardless of cost and this to me is a bit maniacal. I am unsure of how anyone can certify this 100% proof of crime without at least making a .0001% chance of error. I would much rather change prisons into "correctional facilities" that actually provide rehabilitation, not just incarceration. Needless to say if we go down that road we need to reform the reasons why we place people in these institutions and also address why prison building is a current money making opportunity. Speaking of all these money saving talks why doesn't anyone ever bring up agricultural reform since that would have the absolute largest impact on healthcare spending and healthy living. Discuss

My thoughts exactly. I haven't seen what my car can actually do in the quarter with some traction so I'd like to get some hard numbers. NTR doesn't seem to be prepped as well as MCIR was last time:)

WOW lots of anti Obama in here. Is this a tea party convention or something, haha. I don't even know where to start with all of this fail but first of all we need MORE taxation, not less. The Bush TEMPORARY TAX cuts are expiring....This is in no way equal to Obama raising taxes. Look at the tax rates over the last 100 years and you will notice we have some of the LOWEST tax rates in our history. We had tax rates over 85% in the 40's and 50's. Notice how lowering taxes and spending more is equal to higher deficits? I am no economist but all of the discussions I have had with people seem to indicate that the national deficit is hardly a pressing issue right now as most of it is owed to China and they really can't do shit about it because of how our economies are tied together. Now don't get me wrong I am not in love with Obama as there a quite a few promises he has made that still have not come to fruition but I do believe that he is doing the best with what hes got. What we need to do is focus on renewable energy, education, and make things to sell instead of the military industrial machine that only benefits the top 3% of the population and shits on everyone else.

What time do we need to get there to be able to get some time slips?

Backup assistant is rather new for blackberries so they may not have it. First step is to find out WHERE the contacts are backed up. Is it on backup assistant, gmail, outlook, etc? Once you know where they are, its just a matter of getting them to where you want them. Just about every "contact keeper" has an export/ import option. Just export them from where they are and import them to where you want them to be.

A quick search on da interwebs and I found this article on the different police cars, top speeds, 0-60 times, etc. http://www.modernracer.com/features/fordcrownvictoriacop.html

There has def been a change in driver courtesy I have noticed over the past 5-6 years. People used to waive when you let them over and now maybe 1 in 8 people will. People drive in the left lane w/o passing anyone and anyone who knows me KNOWS how much I hate that. We just need less people on the roads and then we can train them properly.

Might as well have been.... A CHRIST-CENTERED MARRIAGE IS A MARRIAGE THAT IS SURE TO LAST A LIFETIME. So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. Matthew 19:6 A great moral story that has the possibility of being true mixed in with a bit of propaganda. Meh. I would bet there is a higher percentage of lasting married couples that believe in the flying spaghetti monster than Jebus.

These changes do not really seem to be all that impactful to those who know thier rights but I do not like the direction that the supreme court is moving here.

Glad to hear this because there would always be flame wars on CSS.net from both sides of this argument. It is a silly one because they are both fantastic cars. I am just a bit more drawn to the Cobalt. Probably somewhat because of its docile looks. It really catches people by surprise when they chuckle that a cobalt even dares rev at them, haha. I also like that manufactures are starting to build more performance oriented compact cars. If I wanted a "no hold barred, all out racecar" I would get something with an LSx but I wanted a nice unsuspecting daily driver crammed full of current technology. The "awesome summer only tires" that come with the cobalt are junk in the summer and simply dangerous in the winter. Those were one of the first things to go!

No one is saying that your car sucks or anything, lol. I looked at the MS3 when I was shopping but went with the CSS because of the raw performance and significant lack of torque steer. One of my buddies has a MS3 and he would have got the CSS but the seats were too "confining" -read *bolstered* for him. I personally prefer the interior of the MS3 over the cobalt hands down but when it comes down to it, Chevy spent all their pennies in the right places on the Cobalt as I don't really care about the interior, I care about numbers. The article you posted up even says that the cobalt won in handling AND speed and the only reason they didn't like it was "the tires couldn't put down the power" and "the interior is cheap". The stock tires are junk but I still have traction issues even with the NT05's on it but I'm making significantly higher than stock power too. Long story short these cars are very similar and some prefer one over the other, it just depends on your preferences.

Thanks for all the positive comments everyone! I look forward to meeting more of you guys (and gals)!

Anyone who says this must know very little about the Cobalt SS/TC. The only thing in common with the normal cobalt is the shell. Engine and suspension is totally different and it walks all over cars 2-3 times the price. I'm by no means saying it is the most bad ass car out there but it is a pretty impressive cost to performance ratio.

I don't remember those plates but it is possible. I rarely cruised to NTR with other DSM's. I was usually there with an s10, Grand National, Rambler, or cavalier, haha. Usually go to TRI County or Norwalk with the DSM guys. Thanks CRAWDAD! Wish you would have had the GT500 out last night. Good times for sure though.

Yeah, I remember you guys from the Marcus cinemas, Home depot on sawmill, and kroger over on broad, depending on where the cops and burn out kids were not, haha.

Anytime:D I've seen you over at CSS.net. Are you doing to MCIR tonight?

haha, thanks Dave!. I'm on HPTuners forums daily so I've learned a TON from there in the time I've had the car (since 10/09). I have no clue what it is putting down but it is definitely feeling rowdy with the recent tuning changes I've made. Im otherguy84 on HPTuners.com and lettuceman420 over at CSS.net

Performance: Pedders Springs, Hahn Intake, Rotated Transmission Mounts, Downpipe, Nitto NT05 Tires, PowerGrid Endlinks, GMS1 +HP Tooners Looks: Tinted Windows, Gen4 Projectors+ 8000k HID, Shorty Antenna

BAM! http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs123.ash2/39465_1440068194172_1007058664_31144258_6469097_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs169.snc4/37781_1440068714185_1007058664_31144259_208978_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs089.ash2/37781_1440068754186_1007058664_31144260_2875379_n.jpg

Wow you guys are fast, haha. I'm at work right now but my old car was a maroon eclipse gsx and the plates were "I SMOKD U". I was at national trails and Tri County a lot and my best time was 12.00. I may have some pics of the 'Balt on my phone but I'll def get some pics up when I get home. My 'Balt is black and I have only been to NTR once this year and ran an unimpressing 13.9 but at 110mph so with some traction I'm hoping for a bit better tonight!