ding ding ding. we have some winners here. IMO, the church cuts you, just to sell you a band aid. who tells you that you're a sinner, and there is nothing you can do about it because you were born with it(which is bs by its own accord)? the church? but its ok, do what they tell you and they have the cure. about the original sin part, that does not sit well with me at all. you have to have an understanding of right and wrong, as well as willful intentions to do whats wrong, in order to determine immorality. a baby doesnt have either of those, so how can it be immoral? this is not to say the bible doesnt have good points. it does. treat others as you would like to be treated. dont steal, dont lie, dont kill people. all good stuff. but you can not take it literally word for word, or else you cant see the forest for the trees. that and the implementation of it. organized religion has been used to control people for thousands of years. the pope used to be more powerful than any king... but its just a way of keeping the masses down, and retaining those that are in power... why am i the king? because god decreed it. and that means i can tell you what to do...