walther_gsp

I'm with Parks

You, sir, are wrong. Instructors set the requirements for passing their course.

You are absolutely correct. Outside of trying to use a pocket gun, 75 ft with say a glock 26 is easily doable. Pocket guns are great to carry, but terrible to learn on. I always recommend getting proficient with something bigger first, then moving to the smaller platforms. Then, know what is the limits of that smaller platform.

Let me start with I'm an NRA instructor and have been teaching CCW since 2005. While your average Self Defense shooting is in close, I've never heard this 20 ft nonsense. Hell, the old Tueller drill teaches anyone within 21ft with a knife is a lethal threat. There is no legal shooting distance in the state of Ohio. If you think that its unreasonable to be failed if you can't hit an IDPA/silhouette target at 50-75 ft in a classroom setting with an instructor to coach you, then do us all a favor, sell your guns and for the love of all that is holy, quit posting on gun threads.

With the right bullet, .243 is good for 1000+ yards. You'll pretty much have to handload though. Look at the 115gr DTAC, and the 105-107 gr bullets from Sierra (SMK) Berger (VLD) and Hornady (AMAX)

Sure thing. Next time, just call me and we'll save ourselves a silly thread

Yea, but correct me if I'm wrong, you're an LE sniper now. Most of your stuff is 150-200y and under right?

http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/?p=4 Here is an article from Zak at Thunderbeast. Please note, the sections on rifles and ammo refute your claims on bullet selection and accuracy of factory Remington rifles.

Do a search on snipershide, for every one post saying 168smk is the way to go, you'll find 13 posts saying 175 smk or 178 amex. FGMM is considered the standard for commercial match ammo, but the 168 is far from the standard for 308

qft

You went wrong with yout statement with the word ALL. WAS is appropriate.

10/50 @1000? Damn, I don't have standards that low. Most rem700 heavy barreled rifles ( sps tact, sps varmint ,5r, senders,etc..) are capable of sub moa with match ammo. You are just flat out wrong.

This is a giant load of crap. If you've spent any time a TVP (which you have), then you should know it. I've lost count how many times I've hit the 12x12 steel at 1000yards (and further) with my stock rem 700. Hell, I've busted my fair share of clays at 1000y and those are 4". And for that matter, I've helped with several of the Newbie Shoots at TVP and watched very new shooters make hits at 1000 with stock remingtons and savages.

Then say it's an example of a low cost gun (I've only ever seen them in .303 british) that's decent to learn on (despite there being far better platforms to learn on), and not make silly claims that can easily be disproved on the range.

It's the gold standard for 600y service rifle. It is not the gold standard for 1000y. Also, your google point is moot since the flipping ammo has gold in the name. 168 amax, 175 smk, 178 amax, 178 bthp hornady, 155 scenar and 155 palma are all better bullets for 1000 yard shooting in a 308. Plug the numbers into JBM and see for yourself.

That's one of the better rifles that DPMS makes. Pretty much universally good reviews. It certainly is capable for 1000 yard shooting.

It's the 6-24 crossfire with the 30mm tube, mildot reticle and moa turrents. I bought it as a temp scope until my pst came in, but never ended up really needing it. Let me know and we can meet up and I'll help you get the rifle squared away.

I'm free Sunday ya know.....

dpms lr308?

Care to place wager on that?

Guess that makes Flounder and myself the 1% and you part of the 99%. Feel free to demonize us like the Occupy folks.

I have a cheap vortex that I'll lend you to see if you like it, they retail for $200.

Give us a budget and your expected use, and we'll help you find something.

MIL's have nothing to do with the caliber of the gun.

Wrong. Your premise for mildots is mistaken, also, most "target" reticles used in LR are based upon a MIL or MOA hashed reticle (upgrade to mil dots).