john if you want a seat that will blow both of those out of the water then send your seat off to http://greatdaytoride.com/Home_Page.php when i had my R6 i sent him my seat. and now i have a sargent on the VFR and i will say that my r6 seat was far more comfy fill out the order form.. which includes Year, make, model of bike_____________________________________________ Riders seat modification: YES NO Supracor "LD" upgrade on Riders Seat: YES NO Passenger seat modification: YES NO Is riders seat to be lowered: YES NO Your Height_______Your weight_______Your pants inseam______Passengers weight______ Do you use risers? YES NO If yes, what is rise_____________and pullback_____________ What is your normal riding position? Up on tank Back on seat Special instructions:_______________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ make sure to get the LD mod and take a picture of you on your bike in your normal riding position and email it to him, helps him customize the seat to you even better. the other great part is .. its far cheaper than a sargent or a corbin, and is alot nicer ride. i think i had like $125 in both front and rear seats on my R6, thats including the shipping. he gurantees a 2 day turn around you wont be dissapointed. i will be sending my stock VFR seat it to be redone. ill probably be selling the sargent