I agree but there have always been a group of people that havent given a shit about meeting people outside that group of select people. That forces all the others to do the same in order to fit in somewhere. I understand that you dont have time to sit down with every person you see and have an in depth converstion but at least be civil and say hey when you see someone that you have seen more than once. If you have a second, ask them who they are and whats up. I try to always talk to someone new and make them feel welcome if they seem new or are by themselves. Hey I was there once and know how shitty it feels to just stand there and look for someone that you think might be willing to talk. Meeting new people and exchanging ideas is the point of the forum and we should at least sometimes act like OR.net is a friendly group of people that just want to talk about and ride motorcycles. Splitting the group that meets up at Shell just makes us look less inviting to newcomers even though all are invited and as far as Im concerned, no one wears a scarlet letter. I dont want to force anyone to do anything and all forum and non forum members (even if they arent allowed to post anymore) are welcome. Its no big deal it just rubbed bret the wrong way and everyone took it wrong. We like the group thing on wed and wish we could make it to thursdays but we have families and jobs to take care of. WhoDey... Thanks for all of your wonderfull and enlightened comments at bike nite and on the forum. Thats cool I guess and now I know where I stand. On the other side of the parking lot or the street. CBR girl Thanks for letting me post on this pointless thread as I cant post on the one Bret started!! Thread closed please