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Are you sure 'wicked' isn't just a pseudonym for 'that dude'? Selling bikes and boats....

Unless it's the FedGov.. then Justin takes their word that their semen isn't filled with aids.

Well, yea, what do I care? It's not MY ass that's getting reamed. Top 2% baby. Need to make sure the wool is still pulled over all the poor people so they think their "hard work" for us 2%ers is actually going to get them somewhere in life. It's not exploitation if they're willing to believe in it. Lulz.

IP is disputatious at the genetic level.

Nerd of the Day award.

A Former Congressional Aide on The Shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the Consequences of the Politics of Hate

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/yaki/detail?entry_id=80606

^--- That's pretty much what I've been saying this whole thread.

Tom... you don't really subscribe to an Occam's Razor-type philosophy do you?

I agree. However, in this case, it was an agent of the government, not the media, that released this video.

I'm pretty sure Assange isn't an agent of the gov't.

Your distaste of Palin may well be documented on here... But you saw fit to bring her up again in this thread & draw the dotted line linking her website to this incident. Her website's no more to blame for this incident than "Catcher in the Rye" is for the shooting of John Lennon, or Jodi Foster is for the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan

That was what was on Twitter. No where did I say she was responsible or even to blame. I've maintained the entire time it was just poor taste. You're putting words in my mouth and drawing conclusions I never made

And I maintain it is NOT ludicrous that the anti guns rights groups/Obama will try to use this as a major fulcrum to finally get the restrictions they've been seeking for so long... a'la the Brady bill after Dutch got shot... Especially since AZ has been so liberal/lenient in their CCW & open carry laws. And also especially because it's being reported Gifford & Obama have been friends for some time

You specifically mentioned me and my CCW in the previous post, and said that I was contradicting my own beliefs which simply isn't true. Just because Palin is pro 2nd Amendment and because I am too, that I need to support her. Just like even if I do support Obama, it doesn't mean I agree with EVERYTHING on his agenda. So while I agree that antigun folks may politicize this senseless event for their own agenda, to say that I'm contradicting my own beliefs is the ludicrous part.

I still don't see where I've gone too far though, holding for a response on that.

IPad double post, sry

Because you're not simply discussing the media reports Justin... You seem to be trying to use this as a platform to once again voice your disdain of Palin, & somehow lay this at her feet

The irony here is that, with your new CCW, & Palin being such an advocate of citizens having the right to bear arms... It seems you're contradicting your own beliefs. I would think with her being such a spokesperson on that front for all of us, that you would want to keep this as far away from her as possible, rather than giving Obama even more "ammunition" to try & force that right from us

I'm waiting for a reply from Casper, but since you guys want to publicly call me out... I'll post a rebuttal.

I was posting exactly what I parsed from Twitter as these events unfolded. Sure there were a couple opinion posts where I was rebutting Street, but I was just pulling links from Twitter for the most part. I don't need this thread as a platform to announce my disdain for Palin - that's already been well established. And for you to espouse this as a CCW/gun rights issue is ludicrous. This has nothing to do with gun rights and everything to do with the messages people send when they're in a position of power. Palin's message was uncouth back in March as it was today. Not illegal, just lacking taste. Which is why I find it ironic that I'm the one that has "gone too far" and I'm the "crass" one as some peon on the Internet who has done nothing more than basically retweet information relevant to this thread.

So, I'll politely inquire as to where I've gone too far in my postings? I've not said anything inflammatory or derogatory about the victims or the events that they've had to suffer through. I said it was a tragedy. And again, I don't need this thread as a platform to bash Palin, I had tons of other threads I can do that in. If you watched the msn video link I posted, even Gifford herself said that, and I'm paraphrasing, "Palin has put a target on our district and there are consequences for that kind of speech". That's what it's about - the messages, not just Palin, she's just the easy and immediate target since her exploits are so readily available, but all politicians need to quit these senseless propaganda games to deliver their messages. Not because there are nut jobs out there, those will always exist, but because it's unprofessional and in poor taste, which turns tragic events like this into the political fodder everyone is salivating to use as a way to divide and make their own political statement.

So I still don't understand how I've gone too far, or what the appropriate response to this thread is that I should have had.... Guess that's the 'Spock' in me, eh Fonz? But please enlighten me.

You should ask him to pull the side fairings off before you get there to check for leaky fluids, frayed wires, ground metal, and JB Weld.

Check fork seal, chain, rear sprocket, brake rotors and pads, clutch/brake cable. And run through all the electrics (L/R turn, horn, headlight high/low, brake light using hand brake and foot brake separately, etc) to make sure those are all good.

Those are my suggestions, do what you want, but I'm skeptical of people -- I have trust issues.

New guy is alright

Deregulation... I duuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnooooo. I wanna see details. And the history on why it was regulated in the first place...

Aside from the fact that you clearly have a problem with Sarah Palin who as best I can figure stands for everything you hate. What I was referring to was who the shooter was. Were they in fact influenced, motivated by, or even hired by Palin?

We don't know, that's why I said it was interesting...and in poor taste then as it is now.

The crass comment is directed at you going all political before the bodies are even cold.

A 9 year old is dead and your going off about political web sites.

That's cold.

I dunno how that's crass? This is what the media and interwebz are reporting -- I'm just stuffing all that information I'm collecting into this thread.

It's a tragedy, but how is not discussing the incident and it's context going to benefit the victims? Their lives were taken, we need to talk about it, in context, to see what unfortunate circumstances led up to this event so we can learn from it - lest they lost their lives vain.

Yes you did. When you learned of Hwiii.

THAT came outta left-field.

Sorry, but back on topic... the third Youtube video (3:46 length) Loughner posted is messed up, but I think a lot of the answers can be found there...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4

"Let the bodies hit the floor background music"... lovely. One of Loughner's "Favorited" videos Of course, these videos are almost meaningless until today's events occurred -- Hindsight 20/20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1lsLU-kUw&feature=player_profilepage

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If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.

There's no flag in the constitution.

Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.

So you say someone can educate themselves and change their minds. But yet you don't give that benefit to Palin? It also depends on what view you take on guns and the targets. To her it might not have seemed so wrong when she came up with the map.

No I don't give Palin the benefit of the doubt because she removed it NOW, after this JUST happened. It's been up since March -- so no, she's being reactionary, not "educated and enlightened"

Have you ever been mad at someone and said "I'll kill you for that!"? Well did you carry that "threat" out?

Honestly, no... I don't think I've ever said that particular phrase aloud in anger to someone as an adult. But my memory isn't the best.

Jared Lee Loughner Identified As Gabrielle Giffords Shooter (INFO, VIDEOS)

A MySpace page belonging to a "Jared Lee Loughner," age 22, of Tucson, was taken down. A YouTube account also exists in his name.

Here's what was listed on his MySpace page before it was removed:

Schools:I attended school: Thornydale elementary,Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College.

Interests:My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!

Movies:(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*)

Music:Pass me the strings!

Books:I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Loughner recently posted three videos to YouTube, text-only, the first to introduce himself and a final one posted Dec. 15 titled "My Final Thoughts." See those videos in their entirety below:

Click the links for the YouTubes...

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/12/oh-my-obama-to-reverse-decision-on-releasing-new-abu-ghraib-photos/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/24/obama-reversal-indigenous-peoples-stirs-concern-legal-claims/

http://energy.nationaljournal.com/2010/12/was-obama-right-to-reverse-cou.php

OMG!

I guess I don't get the point you're trying to make... those are policy reversal decisions, not inflammatory politicking. People can educate themselves, or lobby, or whatever and change their mind on things - change course... but nothing there had any inflammatory messages of advocacy toward an opposition.

I kinda think she took it down because of talk like yours.

I'll wait for the facts before jumping to conclusions.

What FACT? FACT - that was on her website. FACT - some of the propaganda she uses to deliver her messages have to do with "guns" and "removing opposition from office". I'm not saying she advocated or even intended for violence, I'm just saying that some extremist people could interpret it like that. FACT - this happened at a POLITICAL rally, so it's hard not to connect the dots that it was politically motivated. It's not like the Gifford had keyed the kids car or some personal vendetta, is it? Possible, just not likely.

Please... Mama Grizzly is scared of some "talk" by someone opposed to her views? :cry: Right.

Once again, why take it down? It's a message she sent back in March, and she can't stand behind it anymore? Same thing with Gifford's opponent's June event to shoot an M16, why remove that? If it's not in poor taste then, why's it in poor taste now? They can't predict the future. Probably because it was in poor taste all along.... hmm.

Moar Fearmongering by Fox... this isn't Big Brother per the CNET article:

Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential, if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of this," he said.

Such a crass comment.

Would you feel better if it was Republicans?

Would that make it "OK"?

Yea, because there's Democrats running around implying the "guns" and "do something about it" message. It's not OK period, but there are consequences when you're politicking and preaching certain messages to people. If there wasn't, why'd Palin take down that pic off her website? She's got no reason to take it down if that's a message she can stand behind.

Get a grip.

Wow.. it's hard following Twitter and keeping up, this is the first time I've tried.

Shooter is apparently Jared Lee Loughner who was 22, using an extended round magazine in a pistol. Only one prior run in with the law.

Gifford is expected to pull through, responding to commands.

Giffords Opponent, Jesse Kelly, Held June Event to “Shoot a Fully Automatic M16″ to “Get on Target” and “Remove Gabrielle Giffords”

Per Puppethead in the comments, Giffords’ 2010 Congressional opponent Jesse Kelly held a June 12 gun event that was billed as follows on the Pima County Republican website:

Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shot a fully automatic M15 with Jesse Kelly

Kelly’s website has apparently scrubbed the event , but here is the account from the Arizona Daily Star:

Jesse Kelly, meanwhile, doesn’t seem to be bothered in the least by the Sarah Palin controversy earlier this year, when she released a list of targeted races in crosshairs, urging followers to “reload” and “aim” for Democrats. Critics said she was inciting violence.

He seems to be embracing his fellow tea partier’s idea. Kelly’s campaign event website has a stern-looking photo of the former Marine in military garb holding his weapon. It includes the headline: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”

The event costs $50.

KVOA television in Arizona is also reporting that Rep. Giffords has died.

Update I: Gawker spoke to eyewitness Steven Rayle, who says one of the victims was “a kid no older than 10 years old”:

The event was very informal: Gifford had set up a table outside the Safeway and about 20-30 people were gathered to talk to her. The gunman, who may have come from inside the Safeway, walked up and shot Gifford in the head first, “point blank”. According to Rayle, who is a former ER doctor, Gifford was able to move her hands after being shot.

After shooting Gifford, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a few seconds, firing 20-30 rounds and hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than 10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead. When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee, but a member of Gifford’s staff tackled him. Rayle helped hold the gunman down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-to-20 minutes later. The EMS came about 30 minutes later. Rayle said he was “stunned” by how long it took medical help to arrive.

Word is that Palin took that pic down off her site now...

Also, I guess Federal judge John Roll was also killed

Sarah Palin Statement On Arizona Shooting Involving Democrat Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

Here's a video from back in March from Gifford commenting on threats/harrassment

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36033690%2336033690#36033690

Who knows if it's really politically motivated... but

Sarah Palin's PAC Puts Gun Sights On Democrats She's Targeting In 2010

Interesting coincidence eh?

Sarah Palin is targeting -- yes, with gun sights -- House Democrats facing tough reelection fights who voted for health care reform. Palin's Facebook page now carries a map featuring 20 gun sights, one for each of the Democrats targeted this year by her political action committee SarahPAC. Three of the gun sights, those where incumbent Democrats have already announced their retirement, are colored red.

Likewise, Palin's rhetoric is decidedly militant. "We'll aim for these races and many others," she wrote on her Facebook page. "This is just the first salvo in a fight to elect people across the nation who will bring common sense to Washington. Please go to sarahpac.com and join me in the fight."

Then I'd keep on the path you're going, get the 250, sign up for the MSF, get your gear... you're doing it right.

then sell your 250 (or keep it as a nice little commuter/race bike) after a few seasons and get something baller.

Just curious there stumpy... do you have any motorcycle experience? Dirtbikes, anything?