Tonik Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Maybe..dunno. But he isn't much of a democracy type as far as Jimmy Carter is concerned. Getting pretty bad when the worst President ever calls you out. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/jimmy-carter-edward-snowden_n_3616930.html?utm_hp_ref=politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Maybe..dunno. But he isn't much of a democracy type as far as Jimmy Carter is concerned. Getting pretty bad when the worst President ever calls you out. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/jimmy-carter-edward-snowden_n_3616930.html?utm_hp_ref=politics I don't think I'd call Jimmy Carter the worst president ever, but he definitely presided over one of the darker times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Neither are very good, perhaps both are bottom feeders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) I don't think I'd call Jimmy Carter the worst president ever, but he definitely presided over one of the darker times. You were still swimming around in your dad's gonads when he was elected. I lived through it, trust me. Worst President ever. And I was still a stoned left winged hippie at the time, not a right winged nut job. Edited July 18, 2013 by Tonik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baptizo Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Carter was an ineffective President and was, up until now, one of the worst to sit in the office and still thinks we're a democracy? What a buffoon. Obama is the most divisive President ever and aside from Woodrow Wilson and FDR, a true Socialist who truly hates our Republic AND is hell-bent on destroying every fabric of society. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Harlot Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 I was in the Navy during the Carter years and he was no friend of the military. Odd for an ex Naval Officer. I don't remember him as having any strong or directed agenda, he was just inept at dealing with the issues his administration faced. The double digit inflation, the Iran crisis, unemployment, he and his cabinet were just too stupid to deal with the problems in the country. He did get Egypt and Israel to sit down and hammer out a peace treaty. I was stationed at Annapolis at the time and several of us drove down to watch the signing.That was quite an accomplishment. Our current president is a very poor leader and his administration appears bent on dividing the country rather than actually addressing our real problems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 He did get Egypt and Israel to sit down and hammer out a peace treaty. I was stationed at Annapolis at the time and several of us drove down to watch the signing.That was quite an accomplishment. .I forgot about that. That was huge and is probably the biggest reason Israel still exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 "Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have declared Snowden a traitor who deserves to be prosecuted for his leaks." lol, that's probably because they all have issues and dirty secrets they don't want leaked. Carter = naval officer, engineer, farmer. Good start anyway. Camp David accords was huge for him.Took a lot of guts to walk into Three Mile Island and calm people down also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Maybe..dunno. But he isn't much of a democracy type as far as Jimmy Carter is concerned. Getting pretty bad when the worst President ever calls you out. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/jimmy-carter-edward-snowden_n_3616930.html?utm_hp_ref=politicsReagan called out Obama? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Neither are very good, perhaps both are bottom feedersBut Obama did win a Nobel peace prize and is the best African American president our nation has ever had. You gotta look at the positives guys. ****SARCASM****** LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medina Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Carter worse than obama..........well.........possibly. however the mindset of the people was entirely different.I was working in a gas station when gasoline went from 45 to 99 cents a gallon in just a couple of months.we have now a second term "carter", popular vote. Entitlement crowd swayed. Carter was lame duck after a couple of years, Obama seems to do the most outrageous crap (Benghazi, Prism, beer summit, not to mention Holders idiocy- fast and furious and a few other things) and still just surfs along.I see obama is now going after zimmerman...again...no president has ever called out citizens by name before..scary shit.obama can't sink deep enough into the history books fast enough for me 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Carters answer to the quickly rising inflation problem of his day was this: He may have been a great negotiator with the Israel issues but he was clueless on economic and domestic policy.After all he got a Nobel Peace prize for his negotiation skills as for his other actions the history books are pretty clear about how well he did. Obama doesn't seem to have a handle on either international policies ie backing the wrong side in Egypt for example or his economic policy as the economy is still stagnant.His policies that he is promoting are "Obamacare" which is like watching a train wreck is slow motion. Immigration reform which will further damage the economy.And now "Travon Martin" by promoting racial tensions. Which does kinda make sense if you consider all the hollow point bullets the DHS has purchased expecting some kind of civil unrest. He does seem to have an effective policy for wiping out the middle class and creating class envy and racial issues but then again that is what he has done his entire professional life so that's actually not so surprising. His policies are eroding civil rights at a pace that would have the press screaming if Bush had done it. He also has political scandal after scandal after scandal that he is being given a pass on by the Press. What the history books will say about him depends on who gets to write them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 The economy is still stagnant. His policies that he is promoting are "Obamacare" which is like watching a train wreck is slow motion. He does seem to have an effective policy for wiping out the middle class and creating class envy and racial issues but then again that is what he has done his entire professional life so that's actually not so surprising.His policies are eroding civil rights at a pace that would have the press screaming if Bush had done it. He also has political scandal after scandal after scandal that he is being given a pass on by the Press. What the history books will say about him depends on who gets to write them. Let's not forget who CAUSED the economy to crash in the first place... Rebuilding it has taken some time, and it's growing, not a boom (in boom/bust mode) but growing... I'm not the biggest fan of Obamacare, but we NEEDED health care reform, you don't like it, design something better, our old system was shit. The biggest thing that wiped out the middle class was the economic collapse... yeah again, you're blaming the current president for something that the last president caused. Eroding civil rights? Bush wins again with the design and implimentation of the patriot act, not that i'm happy about how the current administration has continued it, but at least they didn't design and impliment it. I also think 9/11 was higher on the "failure" scale than benghazi... the 4 people killed in libya were aware that they had undertaken an occupational hazard. The 3 thousand people killed at the WTC were just going about their normal daily lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medina Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 yay! lets keep on blaming Bush!so, at what point does the current douche in command actually start getting credit for, or blame for our current condition...its been six years and frankly the whole banking problem started quite a few presidents ago IF we're going to be accurate.I've been dating a doctor, get to go to doctor parties.......funny, I have YET to meet ONE self employed doctor, or one that works for a hospital that rallys behind the current obama plan.Do all agree reform is needed? yes. most point immediately to insurance problems for the fastest fix. simply allowing states to shop other states they say would drop costs like now... bush and the patriot act, with all due respect the Patriot act under bush had BIG limits- HUGE limits as to who, what and when he could "spy", and Obama (the current president) actually expanded and killed the sunset clause congress installed to kill the patriot act two years ago......Bushes fault?Holder is joke, but we're focusing on presidents. the biggest problem with fanboys- be they pro bush come hell or high water, or obama is the chosen one, they all fail to realize in 4-8 years the NEXT president could really do some damage. So they gleefully allow stuff "cause my guy is good and wont hurt nuttin" mentality..so we get barney frank, banking, IRS expansion, internet spying, making the millionaires pay blah blah...and it keeps sliding downhill.vote the Constitution, vote the bill of rights- dont vote against the last guy, or the next guy we're entitled to our own opinions, but we're not entitled to our own facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeefe01 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 The biggest thing that wiped out the middle class was the economic collapse... yeah again, you're blaming the current president for something that the last president caused. You know, I hear people saying this a lot and basically saying that we shouldn't be disappointed in Obama, because Bush created all of these problems. The problem with that mentality is that Obama knew what he was getting into, and he stood up and said he, better than anyone else, could and would fix these problems(economy, etc). I don't think he has any excuses for not getting the job done. He can complain about congress, but nothing has changed in congress since he made his promises. So, he either didn't know what he was getting into or doesn't know how to fix what he said he could fix, Either way, he has failed. If Ford was interviewing new CEO's and one of their candidates said they could fix all of the company's problems if he only had the chance. Then if he got hired, failed to follow through, and blamed the things that happened before he became CEO; he would be fired. Here is the job. Can you do it? Yes? Before you answer, do your research and make sure you know what you are talking about. Don't come back later and say it was more messed up than you thought. As for Obamcare, it was a failed premise from the start. We had something that everyone agreed, cost way to much. Rather than addressing the costs (finding the root cause for high prices), Obama and crew decided that the best answer was to pay the high prices for everyone that can't. Thats not going to reduce health care costs. In fact, it will raise them. You get more of what you subsidize. Subsidize the corn market and you will get more corn.Subsidize health care costs, and you will get more costs. Wow, how did I get up on this soapbox. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 I see obama is now going after zimmerman.. Interesting. From where did you get that? My understanding was quite the opposite. I heard Obama say that the trial is over and that criminal prosecutions are a matter for the state. You have some information that Obama is initiating federal legal action against Zimmerman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Interesting. From where did you get that? My understanding was quite the opposite. I heard Obama say that the trial is over and that criminal prosecutions are a matter for the state. You have some information that Obama is initiating federal legal action against Zimmerman? When the DOJ is coming after Zimmerman, then Barry has a hand in it. And Barry keeps on opening his piehole when he should not be doing so, the President knows exactly what he is doing......don't be fooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medina Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Interesting. From where did you get that? My understanding was quite the opposite. I heard Obama say that the trial is over and that criminal prosecutions are a matter for the state. You have some information that Obama is initiating federal legal action against Zimmerman?Damn near every headline on google news for the last week!Obama STARTED the investigationHere, a GREAT vid, hope you watch the whole thing its long, but dam- informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Damn near every headline on google news for the last week!Obama STARTED the investigation Holder had already said that charges were unlikely due o the "high bar" for civil rights violations against private citizens. Obama has said that it's a matter for the state. I interpret their actions as trying to not piss off the masses of people who can't look at the case logically, while at the same time laying the groundwork for the eventual refusal to file federal charges. Edited July 21, 2013 by Scruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medina Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 edit: yanno, watch the video, sums up my thinking on this entire obama disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Let's not forget who CAUSED the economy to crash in the first place... Rebuilding it has taken some time, and it's growing, not a boom (in boom/bust mode) but growing... Really? Who was it that caused the crash? Growing? Where? I'm not the biggest fan of Obamacare, but we NEEDED health care reform, you don't like it, design something better, our old system was shit. And this one is worse but at least we have a change so it's ok? The biggest thing that wiped out the middle class was the economic collapse... yeah again, you're blaming the current president for something that the last president caused. Not blaming him for causing it, blaming him for not doing anything about it. Eroding civil rights? Bush wins again with the design and implimentation of the patriot act, not that i'm happy about how the current administration has continued it, but at least they didn't design and impliment it. Barry has doubled down on whatever Bush did. Drone strikes to kill US citizens on US soil was not a Bush idea. Neither was the database that Obamacare is building nor expanding the surveillance of US citizens nor using the IRS to shut down any opposing political voices nor running guns to Mexico nor massive voter fraud nor building a national police force. I also think 9/11 was higher on the "failure" scale than benghazi... the 4 people killed in libya were aware that they had undertaken an occupational hazard. The 3 thousand people killed at the WTC were just going about their normal daily lives. And I think oranges are prettier than grapefruit. Edited July 22, 2013 by Strictly Street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Growing? Where? http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000 http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 The biggest thing that wiped out the middle class was the economic collapse...The biggest thing that wiped out the middle class was the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs to socialist china by predominately republican c.e.o's,while presidents Reagan to W,including Clinton, stood by and did nothing. Imagine the tax base we lost by giving our manufacturing base to china.It's the elephant in the room that neither party wants to talk about. Yea,it's all Obama's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 You guys are silly. They're all shit, especially this current one. This is the correct motorcycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 You guys are silly. They're all shit, especially this current one.Agree, Disagree The current one isn't doing any better or worse than any other one has done... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.