Gump Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 I don't necessarily hunt and shoot humans and then try to find them and eat them. I just want humans to go the other direction, suffer or die. Never had a deer try to kill me yet, even after I shot it. Your ranges are good. .410 is better than a weapon that can't be held properly. .38 simply still shouldn't be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 3:19 AM, smccrory said: You're coming off to me like someone more focused on your GF's hunting experience than the ethics of taking another sentient creature's life.Actually you're kinda right, it is about the new hunter's experience. It's about teaching them to select the proper firearm that fits them, that they can properly manipulate and shoot accurately, and know what kind of effective range it has. Teach them to properly and effectively harvest an animal. That's why Ohio set up the new hunter apprentice program. To me you sound like the stuck up snob that think you should only shoot the biggest and baddest caliber around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 3:48 AM, mango_sv said: Actually you're kinda right, it is about the new hunter's experience. It's about teaching them to select the proper firearm that fits them, that they can properly manipulate and shoot accurately, and know what kind of effective range it has. Teach them to properly and effectively harvest an animal. That's why Ohio set up the new hunter apprentice program. To me you sound like the stuck up snob that think you should only shoot the biggest and baddest caliber around.Nope, but the .38 is pathetic for a deer, and cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Look, I'm with ya on getting new shooter started and kudos for your step-in approach. That's how ice started my daughter, nephew and friends' kids. A .410 slug is probably ok but I'd personally prefer a 20 or 12, or a 30-30 or stronger as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 3:47 AM, Gump said: I don't necessarily hunt and shoot humans and then try to find them and eat them. I just want humans to go the other direction, suffer or die. Never had a deer try to kill me yet, even after I shot it. Your ranges are good. .410 is better than a weapon that can't be held properly. .38 simply still shouldn't be an option.I don't hunt humans either. I'm using a size comparison. Military uses .223 to hunt humans and people consistently say it's not enough to take a deer. I'll prove ya wrong on that over and over again. Being accurate is as important as caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 3:51 AM, smccrory said: Nope, but the .38 is pathetic for a deer, and cruel. Like it was said before, first person to volunteer to take a 38 spl to the chest at 50 yds and tell me after its not enough to take a deer, I'll believe. ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Ugh. If you were sentenced to die by a one man drunken, one eyed, hillbilly firing squad, because you were a perfectionist, would you rather be shot by a .38 flat nose or a 12ga slug in the chest at 50 yards. (And the hillbilly can shoot as many times as he wants till your dead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 4:12 AM, Gump said: Ugh. If you were sentenced to die by a one man drunken, one eyed, hillbilly firing squad, because you were a perfectionist, would you rather be shot by a .38 flat nose or a 12ga slug in the chest at 50 yards. (And the hillbilly can shoot as many times as he wants till your dead) Either, I'm gonna die either way. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 4:13 AM, mango_sv said: Either, I'm gonna die either way. LolNice try Gump, but I don't think he's capable of getting the point after this much trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 In all honesty, I hate Ohio gun season anyway. I've had idiots unloading shotgun the next field over from the road in my direction. Had one guy basically trip over me sitting on a log in a treeline as he tresspassed. The number of idiots out hunting is staggering. I much rather bow hunt. And honestly, how many people do you think will hunt up a 38 spl rifle and plug it to 3 rounds? Hell, I can't even say I've ever seen a 38 spl rifle in person. The likelihood of one being used is slim. Most people don't even hunt with pistols at all. This just gives more options to the dad that has a small child that he wants to teach firearms and hunting. You know everyone is gonna step up if they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 4:17 AM, smccrory said: Nice try Gump, but I don't think he's capable of getting the point after this much trying.Man, that sarcasm quote of yours is failing more and more...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 4:22 AM, mango_sv said: Man, that sarcasm quote of yours is failing more and more......Sorry, it's been a long week and it's late and I didn't get to ride today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 And if you are gonna do the drunken one eyed hillbilly scenario, you know he is gonna have the biggest caliber he can get his hands on, cuz that's the drunken redneck way...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 4:24 AM, smccrory said: Sorry, it's been a long week and it's late and I didn't get to ride today. Hey, I'm in the same boat and stuck at work til 6 am. Lol! I have all night to argue my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 4:17 AM, smccrory said: Nice try Gump, but I don't think he's capable of getting the point after this much trying.At this point I'd hand the hillbilly a slingshot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 4:30 AM, Gump said: At this point I'd hand the hillbilly a slingshot.You can give the drunk hillbilly a 50 bmg. If he can't hit me, it doesn't matter!!! Let the grandma with the 38 spl do the job. At least she is accurate. Thanks for proving my point btw..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 No you didn't. Let's change the rules. Sniper with a .38 or a 12gauge with a slug from fifty yards. After he hits you, if you can run 40 yards past the magic line, you can miraculously live unharmed and have your way with 30 gullible, sex crazed, gorgeous, virgins of your choice for the next 40 years, a larger penis, better personality, and 1 million dollars. Which caliber do you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Sniper with 38.... He is gonna hit important parts every time. Once again, accuracy counts...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) Bs answer. In a real life situation, everyone would take a 12g slug. 12g is superior to 38 special in every way... Argue all you want that 38 is plenty of power, but please stop pretending it's better than 12g. No offense and shit.Although I'm eeither really high or you guys aren't on the same page or I'm not on your same page... Because sounds like Gump means you're the deer.. If so, duh 38 better chance of getting away after... But I don't think you got where he was coming from. Edited April 12, 2014 by Steve Butters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 The sniper can use either the .38 or the 12gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 5:47 AM, Gump said: The sniper can use either the .38 or the 12gauge. On 4/12/2014 at 5:47 AM, Steve Butters said: Bs answer. In a real life situation, everyone would take a 12g slug. 12g is superior to 38 special in every way... Argue all you want that 38 is plenty of power, but please stop pretending it's better than 12g... You're discrediting the point you're trying to make with idiocy. No offense and shit. Straight answer. Sniper with either, won't matter. A well trained sniper is gonna know the effective range and ballistics of any round his is working with and do the job with incredible accuracy. Once again, the accuracy wins. 12g or 38 to the brain is dead faster that you can imagine it happening...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 I can't wait to hunt deers with my .44 RemMag rifle on Gumps property....or maybe I'll bring the .357 carbine since I've got plenty of .38 special ammo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 6:01 AM, max power said: I can't wait to hunt deers with my .44 RemMag rifle on Gumps property....or maybe I'll bring the .357 carbine since I've got plenty of .38 special ammo.Just remember, has to be plugged to three rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 6:04 AM, mango_sv said: Just remember, has to be plugged to three rounds.I got pencils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 On 4/12/2014 at 6:06 AM, max power said: I got pencils. I used one of those orange driveway markers to plug the GF Mossburg 510. Worked perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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