smccrory Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 And why is it in verse? And doesn't the bible say to forgive? You have a good point about Kris' verse format. I bet he's been stewing over differences with Will Hayden for quite a while and has been biting his tongue until now. I seriously doubt he has given much consideration to the legal ramifications of his post, and anyway comes off to me as a bit religiously arrogant (the Jehovah reference doesn't help), so I'm not surprised to see him capitalizing on the moment. I wonder what he means by his wife's property being his? Was Will Hayden trying to claim ownership of Stephanie and Kris' spinoff company, or was it more? I wish I know more about the real back-story now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) And why is it in verse? And doesn't the bible say to forgive? The verse format is weird, but whatevs. If the bible says to forgive and we took that literally then we would have no prisons or courts. Edited August 29, 2014 by Scruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Hymens are often broken at birth. You would be amazed at the % of sexually active 12yo, especially in rural, poor and southern areas. I have personally treated 5 pregnant girls 13 and under. Vaginal exam can show trauma in a brutal or forced rape, rapes of this kind are not rough, they are generally submissive thus no real trauma. Even if trauma or vaginal tearing was present there is no way to tell who or what caused it unless dna is present I don't know anything about the hymen birth stat quoted, but I've tried multiple rape cases with child victims, I have questioned sexual assault nurse examiners in court; and Todd is pretty much dead-on with regard to the lack of physical evidence. To go one step further, I would wager you're all limiting your analysis of the facts to your own preconceived definitions of rape. I'm not going to dig up Louisiana law, but Ohio's rape statute covers any "sexual contact" with another person (not one's spouse) when that contact occurs by force, threat of force, while the victim is impaired by drugs/alcohol, or under various ages. Sexual contact to satisfy said offense wouldn't have to be what you're all likely picturing: (A) "Sexual conduct" means vaginal intercourse between a male and female; anal intercourse, fellatio, and cunnilingus between persons regardless of sex; and, without privilege to do so, the insertion, however slight, of any part of the body or any instrument, apparatus, or other object into the vaginal or anal opening of another. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete vaginal or anal intercourse. As for forensic evidence, unless someone is taking the victim to have a rape kit done in a reasonable amount of time after a sexual assault, there likely isn't much to go on. Even then, it can be attacked. Real life is a lot different than CSI. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 So if you have one person's word against another, who wins? Just let the jury decide? A lot of people have gone to jail for a long, long time based upon witness testimony that turned out to be lies... and a lot of people are walking the streets today only because they didn't leave any physical evidence, just a single victim/witness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 So if you have one person's word against another, who wins? Just let the jury decide?A lot of people have gone to jail for a long, long time based upon witness testimony that turned out to be lies... and a lot of people are walking the streets today only because they didn't leave any physical evidence, just a single victim/witness.99% of the time its ones word against another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 So if you have one person's word against another, who wins? Just let the jury decide?A lot of people have gone to jail for a long, long time based upon witness testimony that turned out to be lies... and a lot of people are walking the streets today only because they didn't leave any physical evidence, just a single victim/witness.99% of the time its ones word against another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 So if you have one person's word against another, who wins? Just let the jury decide? A lot of people have gone to jail for a long, long time based upon witness testimony that turned out to be lies... and a lot of people are walking the streets today only because they didn't leave any physical evidence, just a single victim/witness. Yes, let the jury (or a judge in a bench trial) decide. But it's still not as simple as you're making it out to be. When an 11 yr old victim can give a detailed recitation of a sexual encounter, including what the perp's preferences are, where the incident(s) take/took place, etc., their credibility climbs quickly. In a case with an adult victim, yes, there is skepticism regarding who to believe, but with a child victim, there is a reasonable argument to be made when you say, "how and why would an 11 yr old girl fabricate this story? What is her motivation? How does she even know enough about sex to make up this kind of lie?" Physical evidence to corroborate the accusation is just icing on the cake at that point. I have never had a case where a victim had the perp's DNA on them. The closest I have come is DNA on the victim's clothing. But that certainly backed up the victim's story and made it a lot more credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 OK, my mind is made up now: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/11/stephanie-hayden-dr-phil-collapse-interview-sexual-abuse-rape-will-hayden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/09/11/sons-guns-star-joe-meaux-speaks-out-against-accused-sex-offender-will-hayden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 watched her interview on Dr. Phil yesterday, not looking to good for Will. If the accusations are true he deserves what he gets in prison! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 On the note of prison for baby rapers, the asshole in the situation I shared pled guilty and got 14 years. Fucking piece of shit.I know it probably won't make you feel any better, but the chances of him surviving 14 years in prison as a baby raper are extremely slim. With any luck, someone will kill that piece of shit right off the bat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I know it probably won't make you feel any better, but the chances of him surviving 14 years in prison as a baby raper are extremely slim. With any luck, someone will kill that piece of shit right off the bat. Serious question. Is this something just portrayed in the media? Or, are all child rapists ending up dead in prison? Either way, they deserve a personal hell much worse than death. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Rev Geoghan (not sure of spelling) was jailed for molesting kids in the church. Killed by his cell mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Jailed January 2002, murdered August 2003. Just a little over 18mo. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Also, I read a book called Hot House where the writer was granted full access to hang out with the prisoners so he could write about them. He tells one story where a bitch was being chased down the halls by his daddy with intent to stomp him to death because he found out bitch was a child sex offender. Bitch was placed into protective custody then moved to another prison. Turns out this was a regular thing for the bitch - locals find out he's a kiddie fiddler and try to kill him, he moves to a new jail. There is a certain irony there, though, that a man who is sexually abusing a fellow prisoner is angry to find out the man he is molesting is a sex offender himself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 It's because convicted felons are often hypocrites. Ya and with just a baggy full of weed in certain states you could be a convicted felon. Not that most pot smokers really are hateful killers. That would be hypocritical of a peaceful pot smoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 On the note of prison for baby rapers, the asshole in the situation I shared pled guilty and got 14 years. Fucking piece of shit.Good, hope he last all of 48 hrs so he can fear for his life at least that long, then let the pounding begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I'm a hypocrite. I claim to be "law-abiding", but I only abide by the laws that I want to.I wasn't consulted when most the laws were written Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Sentenced to life plus 40 years. http://wfla.com/2017/05/11/former-sons-of-guns-star-will-hayden-sentenced-to-life-plus-40-years-in-prison-for-raping-preteen-girls/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) Well, hes gonna know what it feels like soon if not already... Edited May 12, 2017 by TimTheAzn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Life plus 40. Holy crap that's quite a sentence. Not sure I want to know the evidence now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxus Christ! Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Let's see how long he lives inside. Even the AB won't take in child rapists. Unless he spends his life in PC or SHU he will be beaten to death within the first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 He was always a hard ass on the show lets see how he does in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vf1000ride Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 This 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence1 Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I know women this has happened to, not their fathers but relatives. It screws them up their whole lifes. It especially comes back to haunt them later in life. Child molesters are scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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