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Per the Koran, whether taken literally or subjectively.....what the "extremist faction are doing" is not in fact very extreme, but very much being a good Muslim. Not a good Muslim......you die, not a Muslim.....you die. Anyone that believes this is a religion of peace and tolerance, is in a total delusion. Convert or die, this is the bronze age belief/thinking which is now growing by leaps and bounds in the Islamic culture and day to day life. Why the "moderate Muslims" are not doing more to actively and physically snuff out this big problem, speaks volumes to me. I have a feeling that France and much of Europe are about to become not very politically correct, they have a lot of tough decisions to make. Here in the USA and Canada......we had better get ready, cause a shit storm is brewing.

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Why you think this is about oil or anything beyond Islam escapes me.   As stated, this has been going on for thousands of years, and it has always been directed towards christianity and Judaism "The W

r6Brent71
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remeber, the biggest threat to the future is Global Warming not these piddly Terrorists.

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A lot of you seem to forget that Christianity engaged in a lot of what, if done today, would be considered terrorism a few centuries ago. They didn't have guns or bombs yet, so the used hundreds of th

Scruit Grand Master

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Why don't you hear about many attacks by radical Buddhists, or radical Methodists, or radical Hindus?

 

Because US news only reports about what happens to America or Americans.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321278/Dalai-Lama-pleads-Buddhist-monks-end-deadly-attacks-Muslims-Burma-Sri-Lanka.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Myanmar_anti-Muslim_riots

http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/bodu-bala-sena

http://thediplomat.com/2013/06/ashin-wirathu-the-monk-behind-burmas-buddhist-terror/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror

http://www.hudson.org/research/4575-hinduism-and-terror

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Correct. The Spanish Inquisition is one of the worst things that has ever happened in history.

Yea,right up there with what white Americans did to the American Indians in the name of greed and capitalism.Of course American slavery was just a run of the mill atrocity in the history of atrocities for greed and power.

The love of money is the root of all evil.Many times religion is just a tool of people seeking wealth and power.

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Religious conflict began as soon as there were 2 religions within marching distance of each other.

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Yea,right up there with what white Americans did to the American Indians in the name of greed and capitalism.Of course American slavery was just a run of the mill atrocity in the history of atrocities for greed and power.

The love of money is the root of all evil.Many times religion is just a tool of people seeking wealth and power.

 

So........you are 100% sure that "white Americans" are and were the only ones responsible for and carried out what you stated above?

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The love of money is the root of all evil.Many times religion is just a tool of people seeking wealth and power.

Exactly. No one just gets out of bed in the morning and decides to kill people on their own unless their completely nuts, a serious asshole or have been wronged OR brainwashed with religion. Religion is the mask to something more. Religion is used to persuade someone lacking cause, self-worth or meaning. Religion gives them an excuse for their actions, while we guillably label them Islamists for the heck of it while someone more intelligent with monetary desires pulls the strings under the guise of a fucking religion.

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Exactly. No one just gets out of bed in the morning and decides to kill people on their own unless their completely nuts, a serious asshole or have been wronged OR brainwashed with religion. Religion is the mask to something more. Religion is used to persuade someone lacking cause, self-worth or meaning. Religion gives them an excuse for their actions, while we guillably label them Islamists for the heck of it while someone more intelligent with monetary desires pulls the strings under the guise of a fucking religion.

So...what is ISIS' financial end game?

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I don't see any solution. If one Terrorist went into a Mall on Black Friday they could easily kill 30 or more people. And imagine if 20 Terrorist orchestrated that Attack to happen at the same time at 20 different Malls across America. Terroristic Intelligence can only stop a small percentage of plots.

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And to put this in perspective.  Here is a list a attacks by Islamists that have occurred so far in 2015

 

  •  January 5, 2015 – A car packed with explosives drove up to the headquarters of EUPOL Afghanistan, a European police-training organization, in Kabul and detonated.Taliban claimed responsibility. 1 killed 16 wounded.[87]
  •  January 6, 2015 – Two suicide bombers attacked a mosque in the town of Al-Jubba while Iraqi soldiers were resting, killing 10 soldiers plus the two attackers. Clashes following the bombings left 13 security personnel dead and 21 wounded.[88]
  •  January 7–9, 2015 – A series of five attacks in and around Paris kill 17 people, plus three attackers, and leave 22 other people injured.
  •  January 8, 2015 – 2015 Baga massacre. Boko Haram attacks town of Baga in northern Nigeria killing at least 200 people. Another 2000 are unaccounted for.[89]
  •  January 10, 2015 – In the 2015 Jabal Mohsen suicide attacks 9 people died and 30+ were wounded.
  •  January 29, 2015 – January 2015 Sinai attacks. 44 killed, several wounded.
  •  January 30, 2015 – Suicide bomber killed at least 55, injuring at least 59 in a Shiite mosque in southern Pakistan.[90]
  •  February 13, 2015 – Heavily armed militants killed at least 19 people and wounded more than 40 after they stormed into a Shiite mosque during Friday Prayer in a suburb of Peshawar.[91]
  •  February 14–15, 2015 – 2015 Copenhagen attacks. A gunman opened fire at the Krudttoenden café and later at the Great Synagogue in Copenhagen, killing two civilians and injuring five others.[92]
  •  March 7, 2015 – Five suicide bomb blasts leave 58 dead and 143 wounded in the 2015 Maiduguri suicide bombing.
  •  March 15, 2015 – Suicide bombers kill at least 15 people in attacks on two churches in Lahore.[93]
  •  March 18, 2015 – Bardo National Museum attack. Militants linked to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) attack the Bardo National Museum with guns, killing 21 people and injuring around 50.[94]
  •  March 20, 2015 – 2015 Sana'a mosque bombings. 135 killed in bombings on several mosques by ISIL.[95]
  •  March 25, 2015 – ISIL affiliates, The Shura Council of Benghazi Revolutionaries in Libya carried out suicide bombings in the city of Benghazi. Twelve were killed and 25 wounded. Five additional dead during attacks with a local militia.[96]
  •  March 27, 2015 – Makka al-Mukarama hotel attack. 20+ dead 28 wounded.
  •  April 2, 2015 – 148 killed in Al-Shabaab's Garissa University College attack.[97]
  •  April 8, 2015 – In the city of Riyadh two policemen are shot dead. ISIL is blamed to be behind the attack.[98][99]
  •  April 14, 2015 – Militants of Al-Shabaab attack a government building in Mogadishu in the 2015 Ministry of Higher Education attack. 17 dead 15 wounded.
  •  April 17, 2015 – A series of bombings by the ISIL occurred through Baghdad. 40+ killed 59+ injured.[100]
  •  April 17, 2015 – A car bomb exploded at the entrance of the US consulate in Erbil, Iraq. ISIL took credit for the attack. 3 killed 5 wounded.[101]
  •  April 18, 2015 – A suicide bomb detonated in front of a bank in Jalalabad, Afghanistan. ISIL claims responsibility. 33 killed 100+ injured.[102]
  •  April 19, 2015 – A 32-year Frenchwoman is murdered by a gunman whose plot to attack a church is foiled shortly after.[103]
  •  April 20, 2015 – A minivan of UN workers was bombed by Al-Shabaab in the Puntland region of Somalia. 9 dead 4 injured.[104]
  •  April 27, 2015 – At the Zvornik police station terrorist attack in the city of Zvornik, Republika Srpska, in Bosnia and Herzegovina, an armed member of a wahhabist movement opened fire on the police. In the shooting, a police officer was killed, two others were injured, and the attacker was killed by police.[105]
  •  May 3, 2015 – Two car bombs were detonated ten minutes apart in Baghdad, Iraq. Nineteen were killed and an unknown number wounded. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attacks.[106]
  •  May 3, 2015 – Two gunmen attacked the Curtis Culwell Center during a 'Draw Muhammad' cartoon art exhibit in Garland, Texas . 2 dead (perpetrators) 1 injured.[107][108][109][110][111]
  •  May 3, 2015 – Taliban militants overran checkpoints in Warduj, killing 17 policemen.[112]
  •  May 4, 2015 – A government bus was attacked by a suicide bomber in Kabul, killing one person and injuring 15 others.[113]
  •  May 10, 2015 – Two car bombs were detonated ten minutes apart in Baghdad, Iraq and surrounding towns of Taji and Tarmiyah. ISIS claims responsibility. 14 were killed and wounding 30.[114]
  •  May 10, 2015 – A bus carrying Afghan government employees was attacked in Kabul by a suicide bomber, killing 3 people and injuring 10. Taliban claimed responsibility.[115]
  •  May 13, 2015 – A bus carrying Shia Muslims was attacked by six armed gunman who rode up in motorcycles. Several Islamist groups claim responsibility. 45 dead 13 injured.[116]
  •  May 14, 2015 – A hotel that was hosting a cultural event was attacked by Taliban fighters in Kabul leaving 14 dead including an American, an Italian, and 4 Indians.[117]
  •  May 17, 2015 – A Taliban suicide attack near the entrance of Hamid Karzai International Airport targeting a European police training vehicle. 3 dead 18 injured.[118]
  •  May 19, 2015 – A suicide car bombing detonated in the parking lot of a Justice Ministry building in the diplomatic section of Kabul, killing 4 people wounding 42.[119]
  •  May 21, 2015 – A suicide bomber detonated his explosives at a military checkpoint outside of Misrata killing himself and two guards.[120]
  •  May 22, 2015 – A suicide bomber attacked a Shia mosque during prayer in the al-Qadeeh village. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack. 21 dead +90 injured.[121]
  •  May 25, 2015 – Taliban militants killed 19 policemen and six soldiers during a siege at a police compound in Nawzad District of Afghanistan.[122]
  •  May 26, 2015 – Al-Shabaab militants attacked two police patrols which turned into a gun battle north of Garissa, 5 police officers were injured but they were able to kill both of the attackers.[123]
  •  May 28, 2015 – Two car bombs were set off minutes apart targeting the Cristal Grand Ishtar Hotel and the Babylon. 10 killed and 30 wounded.[124]
  •  May 29, 2015 – A suicide bomber attacked a Shia mosque in Dammam detonating the bomb in the parking lot. 4killed, unknown injured.[125]
  •  June 1, 2015 – Three suicide bombers in humvees attacked an Iraqi police station in the Tharthar region in Northern Anbar Province. 41 dead, 63 wounded.[126]
  •  June 5, 2015 – 2015 Diyarbakır rally bombings – Twin bombing of a Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) rally. 4 dead, over 100 injured.[127][128]
  •  June 13, 2015 – Four suicide SUV car bombs went off in an Iraqi police station in the Hajjaj near Tikrit and Baiji. 11 dead, 27 injured.[129]
  •  June 26, 2015 – Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack – Beheading in a factory near Lyon, head marked with Arabic writing and Islamist flags. Gas canisters planted provoked a fire. 1 dead, 11 injured.[130]
  •  June 26, 2015 – 2015 Kuwait mosque bombing – 27 people killed in explosion at Shia Imam Sadiq mosque in Kuwait City, medical sources tell Al Jazeera. Claimed by ISIS
  •  June 26, 2015 – 2015 Sousse attack – Attack in Tunisia against two tourist hotels, over 28 people died.
  •  June 26, 2015 – Battle of Leego (2015) Attack on AMISOM base in Somalia with a car bomb, assault rifles and RPGs, causing over 30 military deaths.
  •  June 29, 2015 – 2015 Shuvat Rachel shooting shooting attack on civilian car, 1 death.
  •  July 20, 2015 – 2015 Suruç bombing Suicide bombing killed 33 people and injured 104 in Kurdish majority city of Suruç. ISIL claims responsibility.[131]
  •  August 13, 2015 – 2015 Baghdad market truck bombing A truck bomb in a Baghdad market killed more than 70 and injures 200.[132]
  •  August 21, 2015 – 2015 Thalys train attack Shooting and stabbing in train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris injures 5. The incident is believed by French police to be an Islamist terrorist attack.[133]
  •  September 17, 2015 – Two suicide bombings in Baghdad killed 10 and injured 55. ISIL claims responsibility.[134]
  •  September 17, 2015 – An Islamist of Iraqi descent attacked and injured a police officer with a knife in Berlin. 1 injured, 1 dead (perpetrator).[135]
  •  September 24, 2015 – A bomb attack on a Shia mosque in Sana'a killed 25 and injured dozens more during prayers for the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha. Claimed by ISIL.[136]
  •  September 29, 2015 – Three men on a motorbike shot and killed an Italian aid worker. The attack has been claimed by ISIL.[137]
  •  October 1, 2015 – Multiple suicide bombings by Boko Haram in North-East Nigeria killed 14 people (including the bombers) and injured 39.[138]
  •  October 1, 2015 – Gunmen opened fire on a car near Nablus on the northern West Bank, killing a man and woman. 4 of their 6 children were also in the car and witnessed the attack, but were uninjured. The attackers have been praised by Hamas.[139][140]
  •  October 2, 2015 – 2015 Parramatta shooting. A NSW Police Force civilian employee was shot dead outside NSW Police Force headquarters on Charles Street,Parramatta, Sydney by a 15-year old lone gunman. The gunman then engaged with NSW Police Special Constables in a shootout before being killed, 2 dead.[141]
  •  October 3, 2015 – A Japanese man was shot and killed in a similar fashion to an Italian aid worker killed 4 days earlier. The attack has been claimed by ISIL.[142]
  •  October 3, 2015 – In Baghdad, two suicide bombings in Shiite majority neighbourhoods kill at least 18 people and injure 61. Attack claimed by ISIL.[143]
  •  October 5, 2015 – Two suicide bombings in Kabul targeted an Afghan intelligence centre. 3 people were injured in the attack, claimed by the Taliban.[144][145]
  •  October 7, 2015 – Militants of Al-Shabaab ambushed and killed the nephew of Somalia's president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud. 2 dead.[146]
  •  October 10, 2015 - In the 2015 Ankara bombings at least 95 people were killed and 245 injured. According to two high ranked sources in the Turkish security forces ISIL is most likely responsible.[147][148]
  •  October 10, 2015 – Multiple suicide bombings in Chad killed 33 people and injured 51. The attack is believed to be the work of Boko Haram.[149]
  • October 11, 2015 – A bomb attack in Kabul, targeting a British military convoy injured 7 Afghan civilians. The attack has been claimed by the Taliban.[150]
  •  October 22, 2015 – 20 people were killed in the northeast state of Borno, Nigeria in a Boko Haram attack.[151]
  • October 31, 2015 – Bomb on board a Russian jet brings it down in Sinai, bound for St Petersburg, killing 224 people.[152]
  • November 12, 2015 – Twin suicide bombings kill 42 people in the capital city of Beirut.[153]
  •  November 13, 2015 – A series of seven attacks kill 132 people in the capital city of Paris.
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I don't see any solution. If one Terrorist went into a Mall on Black Friday they could easily kill 30 or more people. And imagine if 20 Terrorist orchestrated that Attack to happen at the same time at 20 different Malls across America. Terroristic Intelligence can only stop a small percentage of plots.

 

I agree, but people don't like to feel helpless.  Accepting this reality isn't something most Americans are willing to do.

 

I am of the mindset that retaliation is warranted, but without extremely targeted strikes, we (meaning the U.S., France, etc.) just look like the bullies the extremists want us to be.  In some sense, I'm fine with that - "you mess with the bull, you get the horns," and all that shit.   But the practical side of me wins out, and I don't think fighting an idea with firepower is an effective response.  I think collateral damage and public displays of violence (even warranted) only serves to help recruit more extremists against the U.S.

 

It's hard to armchair quarterback this situation though, because there is a ton of information that we just don't have, and don't know how much the government has.  I have not watched much of the news this weekend, but I caught enough to see that at least one of the identified bombers has been on a watch list for 4 years or something like that.   He's on a watch list, but they didn't know he was involved in this plot???  WTF?

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I think you've answered your own question. These groups have been at war with each other since they were tribal nomads, the inclusion of western-aimed ire started when we went into the area in search of oil and started to take sides. It's less to do with oil and more to do with "you gave someone I don't like stuff so now you're my enemy too".

This. Foreign meddling has consequences.  Who would have thunk.

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This. Foreign meddling has consequences.  Who would have thunk.

 

Why you think this is about oil or anything beyond Islam escapes me.

 

As stated, this has been going on for thousands of years, and it has always been directed towards christianity and Judaism "The West".  Get over your liberal talking points and understand this is way deeper than Bush or any other modern president.

 

You can not negotiate terms with an ideology that believes with every fiber of their being that you must kill all who disagree with your thinking.  People have been trying to spin this in every way possible stating "a religion of piece" or "this started with oil", but there are thousands of years of proof that say otherwise.

 

Are you willing to turn a blind eye to the genocide that is going on in the middle east and northern Africa and leave the region completely?  Leaving did not workout well in Germany after WWI.

 

People need to get a stomach and relies that violence is the only thing they respond to and stop worrying about collateral damage.  Either they learn to live tolerant of other religion and laws or face complete destruction.

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Why you think this is about oil or anything beyond Islam escapes me.

 

As stated, this has been going on for thousands of years, and it has always been directed towards christianity and Judaism "The West".  Get over your liberal talking points and understand this is way deeper than Bush or any other modern president.

 

You can not negotiate terms with an ideology that believes with every fiber of their being that you must kill all who disagree with your thinking.  People have been trying to spin this in every way possible stating "a religion of piece" or "this started with oil", but there are thousands of years of proof that say otherwise.

 

Are you willing to turn a blind eye to the genocide that is going on in the middle east and northern Africa and leave the region completely?  Leaving did not workout well in Germany after WWI.

 

People need to get a stomach and relies that violence is the only thing they respond to and stop worrying about collateral damage.  Either they learn to live tolerant of other religion and laws or face complete destruction.

 

 

I love you man, in a non-homo way.

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And who actually believes that Obama is going to do anything more than what he has already not done? ;)

 

 

Over the weekend CNN reported that the US gave France all the high value targets for ISIS.  My question is, why the fuck were there any targets left for France to attack?  We should have blown them to hell and back already.

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