Casper Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 http://iridechi.com/experienced-track-rider-killed-by-indiana-state-trooper-jathan-rose-update/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Sad! RIP fellow rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 RIP... gotta love the double standard when it comes to cops breaking the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinNck1 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I hate to see these things happen, but clearly we are not getting the whole story on either side. Too many factors that cannot/will not be answered. End of the day, a motorcyclist lost his life, which is sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 20 minutes ago, JustinNck1 said: I hate to see these things happen, but clearly we are not getting the whole story on either side. Too many factors that cannot/will not be answered. End of the day, a motorcyclist lost his life, which is sad. That's fair. But if the situation was reversed the guy in the car that pulls out and kills a motorcycle cop is going away forever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfman1 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Really sad, there is always two sides to every story. I just wish the officer would have just manned up and told the truth for everyone's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabound Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 RIP LEO will always cover for each other. Even if the rider had no license, bike wasn't registered, the LEO has a responsibility to follow laws. Period Hope he never gets another good night of sleep for the rest of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 41 minutes ago, 0hi0 said: LEO will always cover for each other. Thats the problem today. Police dont hold other police accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Not related to this incident, BUT the point is related: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12109884/alton-sterling-police-shooting-peter-rosenberg-radio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Thats the problem today. Police dont hold other police accountable. Then you will love this article which talks about that very thing. Police Code of Silence . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinNck1 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 IMO the cop is 100% in the wrong (from the information provided), but I did think it was odd that the speed the bike was traveling was not mentioned anywhere. Does it change your opinion of what happened if the bike was over 100 mph? or if it was on the back wheel? I don't think these were factors, but it clearly changes the view of the accident if they were. It's crazy how many bike accidents are caused by u-turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, JackFlash said: Then you will love this article which talks about that very thing. Police Code of Silence Interesting read. I always knew it existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 The only reason five cop cars showed up was to make sure witnesses were forced to leave the scene so that cops could fabricate the story they wanted told without some inconvenient facts tainting their version of what really happened. Cops are not here to protect you. They are only out to protect themselves and to be third party information collectors at a scene. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 indiana cops killing motorcyclists sure seems like a common thing nowadays, time to protest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 2 hours ago, TimTheAzn said: That's fair. But if the situation was reversed the guy in the car that pulls out and kills a motorcycle cop is going away forever. You're ignoring some information, and we don't have other pieces of information that are necessary to make a determination of who was (more) at fault. 1) the motorcycle cop wouldn't be riding without a license, or under suspension. 2) we don't know the rider's speed, or at what distance he was following. I'm not here to bash the dead. It sucks that the guy died (even if he was at fault), and maybe he was obeying the law to-the-letter, but I question how "experienced" this rider was. All I've seen is a bunch of pics of him with "N" stickers on his S1000R. His skill level is irrelevant if he really had no part in causing or contributing to the collision, but we don't know if that's the case. It also wouldn't be the firs time a track rider thought his new skills (real or imaginary) made him hot-shit on the streets, and gave him a false sense of security riding in an unsafe manner. I nearly killed myself on a fucking EX500 after a few track days... Leaned way over on an entrance ramp, drifted wide, and got into the gravelly shit between the ramp and the highway. I never left the pavement, but the rear stepped out on me. It was pure luck that I didn't crash at 75+ with 65mph traffic approaching behind me. There are two sides to every story, and the truth usually lies somewhere between them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, redkow97 said: You're ignoring some information, and we don't have other pieces of information that are necessary to make a determination of who was (more) at fault. 1) the motorcycle cop wouldn't be riding without a license, or under suspension. 2) we don't know the rider's speed, or at what distance he was following. I'm not here to bash the dead. It sucks that the guy died (even if he was at fault), and maybe he was obeying the law to-the-letter, but I question how "experienced" this rider was. All I've seen is a bunch of pics of him with "N" stickers on his S1000R. His skill level is irrelevant if he really had no part in causing or contributing to the collision, but we don't know if that's the case. It also wouldn't be the firs time a track rider thought his new skills (real or imaginary) made him hot-shit on the streets, and gave him a false sense of security riding in an unsafe manner. I nearly killed myself on a fucking EX500 after a few track days... Leaned way over on an entrance ramp, drifted wide, and got into the gravelly shit between the ramp and the highway. I never left the pavement, but the rear stepped out on me. It was pure luck that I didn't crash at 75+ with 65mph traffic approaching behind me. There are two sides to every story, and the truth usually lies somewhere between them. I made a statement, I wasnt intentionally ignoring information, simply stating that if situation was reversed, and the cop ended up passing and the civilian lived, the civilian would almost certainly be living out their days in a prison cell. Has nothing to do with license suspensions, following distances, or rider speed. That stuff will only come into play to defend the officer in this case to try to put blame on the rider instead of the officer making a (most likely) illegal u-turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kritz Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I see the OHP making these turns all the time here in Findlay at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, Kritz said: I see the OHP making these turns all the time here in Findlay at night. I had a Metroparks Ranger flip a 3 point turn after I passed him. He went into the bike path and cut off some bicyclists and pedestrians to make it a quick turn around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Isaac's Papa said: Stop lying. Get back into line, citizen. He pursued. He failed. I wont be riding in the metro parks anymore though. It just tempts me....and I rarely say no to my motorcycle. lol. Edited July 8, 2016 by TimTheAzn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, Isaac's Papa said: tempts. oh wow. Yea I'm an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 No charges... yet?. Only been 6 days with a holiday weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Z. Heimer Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 https://rideapart.com/articles/police-officer-accidentally-shoots-motorcyclist-blames-muscle-memory I wonder what kind of story the cop would have come up with if this would not have been recorded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I'm not sure which is more upsetting: the tragity of the accident, or the fact that Casper can only post a fucking clickable link... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Al Z. Heimer said: https://rideapart.com/articles/police-officer-accidentally-shoots-motorcyclist-blames-muscle-memory I wonder what kind of story the cop would have come up with if this would not have been recorded? I dunno, but at least the cop got the first aid kit and helped the guy after the fact instead of just shooting him again. His muscle has a really good memory, after all. I remember seeing this video when it was first released. I've had my finger twitch involuntarily before so I figured this was a good old honest hot lead whoops you're dead mistake. Edited July 9, 2016 by what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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