Guest Passatguy Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 what damage would be done to an engine for putting 55 shot on? what plugs do you use? like I had said before..I hsve bosch platinum +4.... not sure if I hit the button they will go sky high or what. should I buy the ZEX spark plugs? [ 15. July 2003, 06:42 AM: Message edited by: Passatguy ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 1. none if you do it right. aka wet shot. 2. platinum is bad for turbo and sprayed cars. Standard plugs 1 to 2 steps colder is what you want. You dont want a "button" keep in on a WOT switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renner Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 I agree that a step or two colder is a good idea when you are increasing boost. But platinum plugs are not bad for turbo cars. Platinum plugs last much longer then copper plugs for forced induction applications, which is why OEM turbo cars like mine come with them, copper plugs just may be safer in some situations. If you are running the car close to the edge of detonation, then copper plugs may be a good idea because the copper plug will fail before a piston melts, and may save you other severe damage if you notice it in time, whereas in most cases the platinum plug will live. So in that respect, copper plugs are safer. But, having broken spark plug pieces bouncing around in the cylinders a few hundred times before they get spit out the exhaust, and thus through your turbine blades, are not exactly a very good thing either. I do not run my car anywhere near that lean, and I don't feel like changing my plugs every 10K miles (which I would have to with copper plugs due to the wear), so I run NGK platinums for now. If I were building a high power turbo motor running 2 bar all the time, then I would probably run copper plugs. But for most street cars not running insane amounts of boost, and with a reasonable tune, platinum plugs may save you some headaches, especially if they are a pain in the ass to change like on a VR4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolen 5.0 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 if he's only running a 55 shot, he shouldn't need to get a colder plug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLudeSH Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 I got a one step colder plug just because it recommends it. 1 step NGK's BTW prolly unnesasary but why risk something that cheap when using nitrous. Are you actually going to buy my friends kit BTW passat guy???????? Avoid Zex plugs like the damn plauge BTW the horror stories involving those are many!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrousbird Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 Nitrous + platinum = bad idea. Nitrous can actually melt off the platinum, which isn't a nice thing. Copper only w/ the bottle. Besides, the Bosch +4's look very gimicky, and I haven't heard anything really positive about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rl Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 I would assume that all the extra electrodes would do [bosch +4's] is promote detonation. It will pick one electrode to arch with, that leaves the other 3 as nice sharp hot objects to pre-ignite fuel. I personally prefer copper plugs on anything other than NA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash1647545504 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 ok first of all wet shot isnt nessisaraly goin to not damage your car, Dry can be just as safe with a turbo at that low of shot just as long as the try kit has the regulator that gives you a secondary fuel. secondly yea the nitrious will damage the pltnums easily as others said just get a standard plug nothing special and third a nitirous ist as damaging if you use it right acording to your instructions, acording to your aplication it will give you a minimum recomended RPM you should be at before you spray, this will help prefent wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 a 55 shot isnt going to make things blurry like f&f you should know. In fact, you may be disappointed with the results. With a turbo aplication, I would never trust a dry shot. If you happen to max out the ability of the injectors when the spray kicks on, your going to be sorry... But he isnt turbo anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slow4now Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 Originally posted by Nitrousbird: Nitrous + platinum = bad idea. Nitrous can actually melt off the platinum, which isn't a nice thing. Copper only w/ the bottle. Besides, the Bosch +4's look very gimicky, and I haven't heard anything really positive about them. It's been my experience that they are junk. When I owned a Maxima I tried them out, the car ran like crap (like it was on 5 cylinders) until I changed them out. I've also had many customers complain of poor running vehicles when the +4's ended up being the cause of their problems. Stay awaw from them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash1647545504 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 Yea IWISHIWASCOOL is right with a 55 shot you will be disapointed you will feel a tiny boost, bets shot it to use it before the 60 ft, just my opinion tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1647545494 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 if thats all your going to spray shoot it all at once right off the line or your wasting your time. one step colder plug (autolites work good) make sure you don't have one of those timing advance resistors in your air tempature circut wiring have fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Passatguy Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 well how many lbs of boost will a GM engine block hold? I have tried to do research on what it will do..but can only find a 2.5L ford probe..that said only could handle 75 shot before blowing. I dont want to blow my engine..it has only 9 thou on it. yes redlude I am buying it this Friday. I am going to put on the 55 shot...test it out..and may up it a bit..but not much. well..only one way to find out....and i hope I do the right one. the way that zex has it set up is that it will only go at WOT. so When I punch it off the bat..it is kicked in. well whatwould 75 shot do??? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 Those are some pretty basic noob questions you asked. You need to do a little more research before you start spraying. Or you're going to kill your engine and end up being one of those guys that blames the nitrous. First, what are you running this on? Second, the zex kit: the dry kit, or the new wet one? Nitrous = copper plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 research cylinder pressure and do the calculations yourself. Theres a lot more that goes into it than what you are accounting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest powers Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 well when you blow your shit up I have an engine you can buy for $150 bucks. And when your drive shafts snap in half I'll get you some for $60 bucks each and get you back on the road. smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Passatguy Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 well since my passat it pretty much peaked out(blown) I am going to put the dry setup on the stock 3.1 GM V6. all it has is a jet chip...thats it. bone stock. I dont want to put it on the 77, or the GTI. it will be setup so that it will only run at WOT. how fast would it burn it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boost-n-Juice Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 No offense, but based on the questions you're asking, I'm not sure you should be playing with Nitrous. Educate yourself first, I know that's what you're trying to do here, but you need to find someone to help you with this. I mean like side by side to show you the in's and outs of Nitrous. Why are you trying to make a 1996 Grand Prix 1/2 second quicker in the 1/4 mile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Passatguy Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 I know the jst of nitrous...but have never been in a car that had it, or know what is going to happen to that specific car. The reason I want to make the Pontiac fast is because it is my slowest car. my GTI pulls on it...do to some homemade mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Alright, let some of the others said you should learn a little more before running it. But with the zex dry kit you're going to want to stay under 75 shot. Just get a step or two colder copper plugs, then follow all the guide lines and you'll be good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin5s Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 deffiately get rid of the platinum plugs..... you don't wanna make a stupid mistake. Also... deffinately do your research on N2O before playing with it. It can be very safe and very dangerous...... learn the in's and outs first..... stuff is posted all over the net to teach you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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