tristanlee85 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I could take a large dump, build a big motor and put some wheels on it, and with enough money, it would probably smoke most anything it went against. That doesn't mean I should be building up a piece of shit (literally or figuretively). There is nothing impressive about Saturns, from a perfomance standpoint. They aren't fast, they don't have a lot of potential, and have never been meant to. FWD econoboxes, not race cars! Says the hardcore mullet guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrousbird Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Says the hardcore mullet guy. If only the steretype were true. Funny, I don't know any mullet wearing F-body owners. But I can just imagine what you look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 i modded saturns until i found that geo's were a more promising platform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Saturn then got the brilliant idea to supercharge the Ecotec, but made it a smaller 2.0 liter version. I think this is maybe a GM 'policy'. It’s stupid if you ask me. Rumor is that they are going to use the 2.0L version for the turbocharged Solstice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onebadkustom Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I'm thinking of adding the injen intake for some extra power up top to cut down on those building length leads pepole tend to get on me I couldnt but help noticed you said you wanted to gain some top end to cut down on the building length leads people get on you.. Top End wont be your only problem. If you have some low end power and torque, you wont have as much of a problem because you will be keeping up with them until you hit say (3rd) if thats even a 5speed and then your going to go down hill from there. We have a Saturn in our car club. Two of them to be exact. Nothing special done to them as far as performance. You can check them out on the members page at www.xtremedynamix.com if you would like. They are saving their money to get kits to make it look fancy since they know their slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue male Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 The ecotec engine was reduced to a 2.0l due to the shorter stroke. That engine is by far the strongest 4 cylinder ever made. The ecotec powered drag car was putting over 1200whp down with that engine. I haven't seen a 4g63 or sr20det do that before. When they put that engine in the rwd sky the car will become the new platform of performance. Yeah it will be more expensive and people will cry that it's a Saturn but the potential is huge. On the other hand the 1.9 llo engine that Saturn gave the S series is lacking in a lot of areas but even for a foam-cast aluminium block it has shown to hold a good amount of power. The car doesn't handle like a corvette but has won a TON of SCCA events which proves that it's no slouch in that department. Looks? what can you say, you either love it or hate it. Power? In stock form it is lacking but with a power adder such as nitrous you can see low 13s high 12s in the quarter which is pretty good for any car. I think that the point is anyone can make a v8 fast. It takes every little know how to make those cars fast just call up Jegs and order the "hi-po kit". On the other hand being different and trying something new is always appealing to me. I enjoy the challenge of making my "FWD econobox" faster and, although you can't polish a turd, it sure makes me feel good when I pass v8s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98fiveseven1647545503 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 . I enjoy the challenge of making my "FWD econobox" faster and, although you can't polish a turd, it sure makes me feel good when I pass v8s. Is that in a parking lot or one driving normal down the street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cgotti Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I give this thread a few more posts before it ends up in the kitchen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash1647545504 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 It takes every little know how to make those cars fast just call up Jegs and order the "hi-po kit". It is obvious what you consider fast, is still slow as piss to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristanlee85 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 You are always going to have the debate as to why mod a v8 and why mod an econobox. On the other hand, I would prefer to take a slower car with little to none market, and build it how I want to. It's so easy for you to just go to Summit or Jegs, browse through the catalog, and just spend all sorts of money on what already made for you, or you can start from scratch, fabricate your own, actually learn something from the experience, and be relatively fast. I'm not going to sit back here and tell everyone how my Saturn is the fastest thing, because it isn't. Would I ever own or mod a v8? No. There is no challenge. I would prefer taking a slow car and making it faster (especially a car you wouldn't expect anything from) over taking a fast car and making it faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristanlee85 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 If you are saying that it takes lots of money to a 4cyl in 14s, you're crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue male Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Is that in a parking lot or one driving normal down the street? Ohhh SNAP! You're right I have never raced a v8 car before but I think that my Saturn may have enough to suprise a few v8 cars and not just passing them in parking lots. It is obvious what you consider fast, is still slow as piss to me. heh. onebadkustom Good info thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIEF Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Look rougue...I'm going to go ahead and call you a ricer, because I believe you are one. Do you want to know why I think that? Because you have listed -2 iridium spark plugs as a "mod" along with your body mad tyte kit. Let me tell you, you have no problems with detonation with a basically stock engine. You have just wasted yo money on that little "mod". In fact you would need to make about ohhhh, 400hp on that 1.9 before you would even consider 2 step colder plugs to "reduce REAL detonation". I'm not in a real positive mood right now, and maybe that's why I'm coming off mean. But you sir are a ricer and your "mods" prove it. Oh, and I bet you for what your car is worth (which is 2 coney dogs and a oreo blizzard), that you could not for the life of you put together ANY V8 by yourself and make it fast. Which according to you is 12's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Spend little money and make a V8 fast, or spend lots of money to put a 4 cylinder into the 14's.. who's really losing here? Word. I'm tired of everyone saying, "I'd rather make my 4cyl fast and be diff. then take a fast car and make it fast as hell cuz it's easy." That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard, and at one point thought i believed that, but your no diff. then the millions of other kids that say the same thing. When I graduate, I'm buying something fast, and making it faster. Tired of spending time to buy parts for my car that will never be fast w/o a lot of time/work/money just because it's 'differant'. No offense. It's a good daily driver, and it should stay that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrblunt Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I haven't seen a 4g63 or sr20det do that before. Rofl, you have much to learn. Do yourself a favor and drop 10k into properly turbo charging your car w/ the supporting mods. When you have it all dialed in i'll take a bet in any sum of money you like that a c5 zo6/ws6/z28/mach 1 with 1/4 of the money invested into that car cannot beat you from a dig or roll. Hell my money would be on the v8 if it was only sprayed. The sad reality to the situation is it would take you 6-7k at the least to have a solid 12 second car. You can take a used ls1 powered car and drop a 100 shot in it and easily hit that mark for 6-700 dollars. You have a shitty platform to start with, this is why you could hear crickets chirping when you asked how many people mod these cars. Keep it a reliable daily driver and get a platform engineered to be fast. I speak from experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristanlee85 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 You own a DSM, and you are calling Saturns shitty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Speed S4 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 who mods a peice of plastic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristanlee85 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 You own a DSM, and you are calling Saturns shitty? yes. I owned an 11.70 DSM and now own a sub 11.50 DSM and I am indeed calling Saturn a shitty car to mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristanlee85 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Not you, tard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Not you, tard. His is still faster than your Commuter lunch box will ever be. Learn to recognize those who are far more knowledgeable than yourself. Then make a note to yourself not to call them "tards". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristanlee85 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Yes, massah. Never did I say anything about being faster than his DSM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue male Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Learn to recognize those who are far more knowledgeable than yourself. Then make a note to yourself not to call them "tards". Woah so what your saying is someone who can make a DSM faster than a Saturn is more knowledgeable about performance? I'm not sure if that is true. Seems to me that a turbo car from the factory will be faster than a Saturn from the factory. Than add the HUGE aftermarket support for DSMs and nothing for Saturns logically you would have to say that it takes more to make a Saturn fast than a DSM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristanlee85 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 His is still faster than your Commuter lunch box will ever be. Learn to recognize those who are far more knowledgeable than yourself. Then make a note to yourself not to call them "tards". I sincerely appologize for my hateful words and promise to be your best friend eva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 No. I am simply stating that I am more knowledgeable than the two of you combined on EVERYTHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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