Fonzie Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Sorry Fonz wasn't meant as a personal attack. It's just close to the same type of reasoning and thinking racists do use. You judged millions on the acts of a few. That would be like declaring all Catholics child molesters or are accepting of the act. Especially since it was leadership committing these acts and covering them up all the way through the chain. Over 5000+ complaints just in the US and billions in settlements and there are probably many more that never made it to the light of day. If I was a racist......I would've hated Muslims all my life just because of the color of their skin. That's not the case......I started distrusting them 7 years ago because of the actions of some of their membership. Prior to that....I never gave muslim religion much thought. I live by a modified "Golden Rule".......I treat others the way they treat me. Unfortunately, I'm not a good enough person thus far to live by the "official" Golden Rule.....Treat others as you want to be treated. I try, but admittedly fall short on that one sometimes Duane......Your follow up post must've happened while I was typing my last response, so I didn't see it before I put mine up. Appreciate the compliment & clearing up what you wrote Jeremi......I see that since I mentioned being Catholic, you went right for the molester analogy. Forget the Muslims.....You know how much crap/jokes I've had to put up with the last few years since that news broke out?? You're right....Not all Catholics are that way....but we've ALL had to bear the shame & brunt of public reaction because of the actions of a few, and in essence, pay the penalty. What/Who's that remind you of? Yet nobody feels sorry for the persecution & mockery of us poor Catholics as a whole, because of what a few of our priests did Also......I was an altar boy when I was younger, & very proud of it. Steered my son's away from it, but now my daughter has signed up for it. Am I a racist because I am distrustful of all priests now due to the actions of a few.....Even though we've personally had dinner with several & think very highly of them??? And to those who've contacted me thinking I'm vacating the board.....Not the case. I am however done with this thread as I don't think anything else positive will come of it at this pointHopefully I don't think of something I forgot to add, or find a typo or grammatical error as soon as I hit "Enter"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 If I was a racist......I would've hated Muslims all my life just because of the color of their skin. That's not the case......I started distrusting them 7 years ago because of the actions of some of their membership. Prior to that....I never gave muslim religion much thought. I live by a modified "Golden Rule".......I treat others the way they treat me. Unfortunately, I'm not a good enough person thus far to live by the "official" Golden Rule.....Treat others as you want to be treated. I try, but admittedly fall short on that one sometimes Duane......Your follow up post must've happened while I was typing my last response, so I didn't see it before I put mine up. Appreciate the compliment & clearing up what you wrote Jeremi......I see that since I mentioned being Catholic, you went right for the molester analogy. Forget the Muslims.....You know how much crap/jokes I've had to put up with the last few years since that news broke out?? You're right....Not all Catholics are that way....but we've ALL had to bear the shame & brunt of public reaction because of the actions of a few, and in essence, pay the penalty. What/Who's that remind you of? Yet nobody feels sorry for the persecution & mockery of us poor Catholics as a whole, because of what a few of our priests did Also......I was an altar boy when I was younger, & very proud of it. Steered my son's away from it, but now my daughter has signed up for it. Am I a racist because I am distrustful of all priests now due to the actions of a few.....Even though we've personally had dinner with several & think very highly of them??? And to those who've contacted me thinking I'm vacating the board.....Not the case. I am however done with this thread as I don't think anything else positive will come of it at this pointHopefully I don't think of something I forgot to add, or find a typo or grammatical error as soon as I hit "Enter"! Of course I went for that analogy, it's perfectly sound. You can't bitch about people condemning all Catholics when you do the same to all Muslims with even less justification. As for being racist, no it isn't text book racism, but it is very close to being the same thing. There are very deep ties between many religions and culture, race and ethnicity. You aren't judging solely by the color of their skin, but by a common belief system that I'm willing to bet you don't know anything about. And no racism doesn't have to be something you've believed all your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 ...And no racism doesn't have to be something you've believed all your life.That statement kind of reminds me of this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 That statement kind of reminds me of this:Haven't seen that movie in ages. Might have to go rent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 of the 8 they could have dropped, I think they picked the least "insulting"...honestly...and who are you to judge which holiday is appropriate to spare? Don't ditch one, just add one.Sounds like lots of people here don't care for the country. I'm amazed because I believe many of you don't care for any of the holidays. What about July 4th? What if they replaced that one? Singling one holiday out that isn't July 4th doesn't make it any better. They shouldv'e just added the new one to their list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 ...and who are you to judge which holiday is appropriate to spare? Don't ditch one, just add one.Sounds like lots of people here don't care for the country. I'm amazed because I believe many of you don't care for any of the holidays. What about July 4th? What if they replaced that one? Singling one holiday out that isn't July 4th doesn't make it any better. They shouldv'e just added the new one to their list.Comparing Labor Day, a day that was started by a union and not unique to our country, to Independence Day (July 4th), a day our country celebrates our deceleration of independence from Great Britain, is almost insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 It's still a national American holiday. That's all there is to it man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 It's still a national American holiday. That's all there is to it man.Really then you should be bitching that they only have 8 at Tyson's when there are 10 Federally recognized holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 ...and who are you to judge which holiday is appropriate to spare? and who is to judge which are inappropriate to drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Really then you should be bitching that they only have 8 at Tyson's when there are 10 Federally recognized holidays.They're not government which is what I'm assuming those are you talking about? Sometimes I wish I worked on base so I got all those "federal" holidays off. If that's the case I don't see how it's relevent here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 and who is to judge which are inappropriate to drop?True, but you can't think like that or there will always be confusion. So you stick with what there is and just add to the list if you need too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 They're not government which is what I'm assuming those are you talking about? Sometimes I wish I worked on base so I got all those "federal" holidays off. If that's the case I don't see how it's relevent here though.All 10 are considered national holidays just like Labor Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Whether you realize it or not an employer is not required to give you holidays off nor even give you holiday pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420gsxr1000 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 ....im just tired of pressing fucking #1 for english!!!!! now they put french on the ATM's also now!!!!!! What the fuck country is this anyways? I wouldnt move to france and NOT learn the fucking language!!!!!!!!!! And you know what I doubt if france or mexico is making American holidays a holiday there.........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 ....im just tired of pressing fucking #1 for english!!!!! now they put french on the ATM's also now!!!!!! What the fuck country is this anyways? I wouldnt move to france and NOT learn the fucking language!!!!!!!!!! And you know what I doubt if france or mexico is making American holidays a holiday there.........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............+1. I doubt that Americans living in Europe are getting Labor Day or July 4th off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I want Bastille Day off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exSRAaron Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I like chicken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted August 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I want every Monday, Thursday, Friday off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 15 pages on a topic that's only half true.http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/tyson.aspIf you wanna get pissed, get pissed at the union. Myself, I really dont see anthing wrong with having Somolian employees. Adding a holiday is a little different. Having negotiated contracts in the past, I can tell you that I would never negotiate for a paid holiday for any religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 15 pages on a topic that's only half true.http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/tyson.aspIf you wanna get pissed, get pissed at the union. Myself, I really dont see anthing wrong with having Somolian employees. Adding a holiday is a little different. Having negotiated contracts in the past, I can tell you that I would never negotiate for a paid holiday for any religion.Absolutely agree, but I'd even go so far as saying I think Christmas Day should be removed as a federal holiday. They could create a Winter Holiday a few days earlier to coincide with winter solstice if they really wanted instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I want every Monday, Thursday, Friday off!+1, if you can negotiate THAT deal. I'd vote you union president of the decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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