coty061885 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11569/2007-mazdaspeed-3-pricing-final-power-figures-announced.html Looks like they're aiming to blow away the Civic Si and GTI, in power and in price. It also looks better than both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 wow thats about what we paid for our 3. that will be the best bang for the buck on the market. Only downside is it will be a hatch only and AWD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin R. Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Wow. That is a good deal. Question, is the engine strong enough to mod/turbo/spray? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Not bad, but that's a whole $7k more than I paid for my 06 3s Hatch 6 months ago. I'm sure I could get more power for less than that, but again, AWD is a plus and factory warranty. Maybe I'll check them out after a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiji ST Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 No AWD. Only FWD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Wow. That is a good deal. Question, is the engine strong enough to mod/turbo/spray? uhhh...it already is a turbo... Modifing a direct injection engine is asking for trouble. There are so many more parameters that go into tuning a DI engine vs. port injection that you could easily screw things up. It also depends a lot on the fuel system and what they use to drive the pump. (accessory drive, cam lobe, etc...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 I like the Speed6's better. Doesn't look bad though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin R. Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 uhhh...it already is a turbo... Modifing a direct injection engine is asking for trouble. There are so many more parameters that go into tuning a DI engine vs. port injection that you could easily screw things up. It also depends a lot on the fuel system and what they use to drive the pump. (accessory drive, cam lobe, etc...) Didn't realize it was turbo. Basically, what I was getting at...is that I know the SI's and such can easily be modified with a big turbo...spray..on stock block. Still a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RX-7 Addict Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 265hp, and only $23k.. lots of bang for the buck. FWD is a deal breaker for me tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRed Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 If I had to make the choice would rather get the Dodge Caliber SRT-4. Right around the same price and weight and but the SRT-4 is stated to have 300hp. And we know how Dodge understated the SRT-4 before. I am not a big fan of either of them still would rather take the Caliber over the 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTurbo Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 me too, id rather have the Caliber SRT4, or the Speed6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 The Caliber looks like a hair covered turd on fire. That's just my opinion though. Is the caliber AWD like the 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coty061885 Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Yeah, the Calibur is AWD, but it's uglier than shit. I'm sure you could get the Mazdaspeed 3 at 300 hp pretty easily. Maybe later they'll offer an AWD version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 for the record, i got my wrx for 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Yeah, the Calibur is AWD, but it's uglier than shit. I'm sure you could get the Mazdaspeed 3 at 300 hp pretty easily. Maybe later they'll offer an AWD version. im almost positive the Caliber srt-4 will be FWD. They may offer an awd model but i dont think it will be available with the srt-4 package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe7 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 im almost positive the Caliber srt-4 will be FWD. They may offer an awd model but i dont think it will be available with the srt-4 package. That is correct.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coty061885 Posted September 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 I stand corrected. Here's a quote pulled from a Car and Driver preview of the Calibur SRT-4: "All-wheel drive, an option in the regular Caliber lineup, would damp out torque steer, but the system isn’t capable of handling the turbo engine’s higher output. As you’d expect, the new hot rod’s underpinnings are upgraded to keep pace with the turbo motor’s big punch: heavier front knuckles, heavier hubs, beefier wheel bearings, higher spring rates, stiffer dampers, heavy-duty knuckles up front, heavier front and rear anti-roll bars, and a quicker ratio for the rack-and-pinion steering system." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPLN SUX Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 hmmm i get factory invoice on Mazda... still not appealing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 hmmm i get factory invoice on Mazda... still not appealing... why its the same platfrom as the s40 uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 To increase drivability and minimize torque steer and wheel spin in what is a very powerful front-wheel drive car, a sophisticated torque-management system combines with equal-length hardened driveshafts and a cone-type Super LSD limited slip differential. Under the watchful eye of an advanced powertrain control module (PCM), the waste-gate bleeds off excess boost to control the torque spikes in first and second gear that would result in wheel spin, providing full boost only in third gear and above. Also, because the throttle is a drive-by-wire system, the PCM can control how quickly the throttle body reacts to driver inputs, smoothing intake volume to further minimize torque spikes. This results in different torque characteristics in first, second and third (and above) gears, minimizing torque-steer and wheel-spin and maximizing traction and acceleration. Torque control is also linked to the steering angle, limiting power delivery when the front wheels are turned. A Super LSD cone-type limited-slip differential also minimizes wheel-spin on the inner wheel during hard cornering for smooth, predictable power delivery. Mazda also fits a similar Super LSD unit to the rotary-powered RX-8 sports car and the high-performance MAZDASPEED6 sport sedan. I can attest that driving a high HP FWD car with an LSD provides pretty bad torque steer in first and second gears. I'm interested to drive this to see how much slower it feels in first and second, but overall I think this is a good thing. The new MAZDASPEED3 employs a six-speed manual transmission shared with the MAZDASPEED6, allowing the driver to maximize the engine's potential. It shouldn't be hard at all to make this car AWD then. Swap the MS6 drivetrain from the transmission back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 I can attest that driving a high HP FWD car with an LSD provides pretty bad torque steer in first and second gears. I'm interested to drive this to see how much slower it feels in first and second, but overall I think this is a good thing. It shouldn't be hard at all to make this car AWD then. Swap the MS6 drivetrain from the transmission back. just hte center dif would be needed from the MS6 you could use the rear diff and components from the AWD s40s should bolt right up. or just use the whole drive train they offer a s40 with a 6sp manual and AWD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief8one Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 The Caliber looks like a hair covered turd on fire. I agree X 10 and I'm a dodge guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTurbo Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 i thought they were quit ugly too, but then a guy i worked with bought one, and in person they arent that bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRed Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Yeah I don't like the look of the Caliber's either, but I would still take one over the 3. And yes the Caliber SRT-4 is FWD. You can get the regular Caliber in AWD, but not the SRT-4 version. And don't forget we are compairing the Mazdaspeed 3 to the SRT-4, not a Mazda 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 i thought they were quit ugly too, but then a guy i worked with bought one, and in person they arent that bad Yes they are, they're hideous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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