MrMeanGreen Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I have my heart set on one, by summer. Tell me what you know, what you've heard/read, and how moddable are they? I may forgo the current bigass turbo project on the Formula for another year just to get one of these. Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Advocate Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 All I can tell you is... The old you would look LOL in one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 not sure on moddabillity since it will be a new/ newer engine/platform. IIRC that stock turbo is pretty maxed out and is running somewhere around 20 psi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I thought the motors were pretty much the same in the turbo cobalt, but I could be wrong. I do like them more than the Solstice. I really like the interiors, as well. The 5speed auto is also a tick faster than the manual. If you know anything about turbo cars w/autos, you know why. Also, there is a place who does a motor swap on them. Let me see if I can find it. Here it is: http://www.mallettcars.com/ Link is on the left. I'm sure many of you are familiar with Mallett. Also, a couple other helpful links. http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0609_2007_saturn_sky_red_line_dyno/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Ant, chat with me about it at Mom's. I'll tell you all about them. Phil is around here somewhere, too. He knows a little bit. :nod: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verse Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I'm a Saturn technician at Saturn West in Hilliard. We've only had one Redline Sky go through delivery so far and it was already sold so none of us have been able to drive it. :-\ I have heard that they have a common ticking noise from the factory, also all Sky's have a driveline clunk in the transmission while shifting which is "normal characteristics of the vehicle." The car is so new that our computer haven't been totally updated, I'll check to see if there are any major problems with them in our database right now when I get to work. Good luck getting one though, we have a 70 person waiting list still I believe to get a Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pomade Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 LOL - no kidding, when I first read this, I thought you said, "Tell me about the Red Skyline." I'm like, "Anthony's thinking about a Skyline? And WTF does it being red have anything to do with it?" Dyslexia > me. Anyway, sorry Anthony, I have nothing to add about the car your really interested in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Amazing a few years ago anthony would not have fit in a sky. I believe its on the Lotus Elise chassis, Looks like a wicked little car. that car + motor build + bigger turbo = Scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verse Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 The only thing I've seen so far with problem to the Redline Sky in our database is a problem with the fuel injector connectors. Seems they become loose and you have to replace the terminals. Other than that, just a few water leaks from the convertible top concerns. The regular Sky's are fun little cars, I'm willing to bet the Redline are even better. If you want to get one let me know and I can recommend you so I can get a $75 bonus. ;-) haha They are just those little Saab motors 2.0L turbo, same thing as the 9 3 turbo. Just a little more power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I thought the motors were pretty much the same in the turbo cobalt, but I could be wrong. I thought the cobalt SS was belt driven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 The only thing I've seen so far with problem to the Redline Sky in our database is a problem with the fuel injector connectors. Seems they become loose and you have to replace the terminals. Other than that, just a few water leaks from the convertible top concerns. The regular Sky's are fun little cars, I'm willing to bet the Redline are even better. If you want to get one let me know and I can recommend you so I can get a $75 bonus. ;-) haha They are just those little Saab motors 2.0L turbo, same thing as the 9 3 turbo. Just a little more power. No it is not a Saab 9-3 engine, and OBGYN, there is currently no such thing as a turbo Coblat. The engine is all new, it's a direct injection 2.0L turbo putting out a rated 260HP/260 ft-lbs. The torque curve is completely flat from 2000 rpm to redline. The redline on the engine is 6200rpm, which is where you make peak power. A friend of mine drove one and he said the acceleration was lackluster. He thought that when it finally started to pull it was time to shift. Although, he has a 400 HP DSM as his daily, and people on the forums seem to think they're the fastet thing on the road. They are barely mod-able at this point. A cat back exhaust yielded them a 20 WHP gain. But larger injectors are not avalable, and they are somewhat maxed out from the factory. There is a set of cams coming out that modifies the fuel pump function, but I am leary of these. The pump was not ment to run that fast. I've heard some "rumors" though, and if you want the factory turbo that's more mod-able, then you'll want to wait a year or two. Or, you could buy a base Sky and put an aftermarket turbo kit on it, possibly build a motor in the process if you want more power then the Redline will give you. There are a few aftermarket turbo kits for the car, including one from a company that I am part owner in. I'm sure JP will chime in too, Shearer Fab is working on a kit as well. Anthony, I have a pretty good knowledge of the car. Ask me anything and I'll answer what I'm allowed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wease Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Anthony is the biggest baller on CR... :nod: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMeanGreen Posted December 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Lol, no. I only have four vehicles at the moment I'm looking at one for a daily, but wondering the "tweaks" available since it's turboed. I'd like to see 12s and some badass road course work while maintaining reliability and the factory warranty. Also, the car will probably be used for the price fact and the wait list right now. I actually have about ten different vehicles I'm debating on, but I've always had an eye on this and will buy one if I can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 No it is not a Saab 9-3 engine, and OBGYN, there is currently no such thing as a turbo Coblat. The engine is all new, it's a direct injection 2.0L turbo putting out a rated 260HP/260 ft-lbs. The torque curve is completely flat from 2000 rpm to redline. The redline on the engine is 6200rpm, which is where you make peak power. A friend of mine drove one and he said the acceleration was lackluster. He thought that when it finally started to pull it was time to shift. Although, he has a 400 HP DSM as his daily, and people on the forums seem to think they're the fastet thing on the road. They are barely mod-able at this point. A cat back exhaust yielded them a 20 WHP gain. But larger injectors are not avalable, and they are somewhat maxed out from the factory. There is a set of cams coming out that modifies the fuel pump function, but I am leary of these. The pump was not ment to run that fast. I've heard some "rumors" though, and if you want the factory turbo that's more mod-able, then you'll want to wait a year or two. Or, you could buy a base Sky and put an aftermarket turbo kit on it, possibly build a motor in the process if you want more power then the Redline will give you. There are a few aftermarket turbo kits for the car, including one from a company that I am part owner in. I'm sure JP will chime in too, Shearer Fab is working on a kit as well. Anthony, I have a pretty good knowledge of the car. Ask me anything and I'll answer what I'm allowed to. Sorry, forgot it was supercharged. But it is an Ecotec motor. Or is it different in the Red Line? I've heard times of 0-60 from 5.2-5.5sec and 1/4mi around 14 flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snredrum Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I remember when Saturn North got their first Sky. Did they fix the problem where you couldn't open the doors when the hood was up? Or close the doors when the hood is up? I remember that one of techs opened the hood when someone was in it and they got out and crunched the corners of the hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Wow, that seems like a shitty oversite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrousbird Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Anthony, do you think you'll even FIT in a Sky. I realize you are a couple inches shorter than me, and now amazingly lighter as well. I sat in a Solstice a few weeks ago, and there is no way I could own one. With the seat all the way back, my knees still hit the dash. The top was down, but seeing where my head was in relation to the windshield, I could tell my head would be resting on the top when it was up. It was more cramped than a 1st Gen SLK I drove (which my head was also sitting against the roof). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verse Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 No it is not a Saab 9-3 engine, and OBGYN, there is currently no such thing as a turbo Coblat. It's still a Saab engineered motor, it's a 2.0L turbo, similar to a 9 3 turbo. I didn't mean it's the exact same motor. All those ECOTECH motors were engineered by Saab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMeanGreen Posted December 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Nope, which is probably a good idea. Phil needs to come visit Columbus with his Again, I'm weighing options. If that doesn't pan out, I'm looking at the LS2 GTOs after driving Jerrad's a few weeks ago. I do have this thing for torque as well, I wonder if they can showhorn the LSX in a Sky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I do have this thing for torque as well, I wonder if they can showhorn the LSX in a Sky? Are you retarded? http://www.mallettcars.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 ...I wonder if they can showhorn the LSX in a Sky? They already have. http://www.mallettcars.com/sky-conversion.htm Damn it, Chris beat me too it. My link's better anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Damn it, Chris beat me too it. My link's better anyways. Mine was meaner, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 that car is friggin evil. Forgot the turbo ant and get one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye1647545503 Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I whould kill to drive one of those ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 It's still a Saab engineered motor, it's a 2.0L turbo, similar to a 9 3 turbo. I didn't mean it's the exact same motor. All those ECOTECH motors were engineered by Saab. Read the bottom of this page -> ECOTEC Add to that, the entire fuel system (pump, injectors, rail), ECU, all the engine calibration, and sensorics assiciated with the engine was all done at Bosch, just outside Detroit. Anthony - 12's with reliability and a factory warrenty is not possible at this time. The only alternative is the aftermarket, and that can be risky to your warrenty. There are a few people doing LSx conversions, V8 Archie, Werks Performance, Mallett... I will possibly be driving it home over Christmas if you want to try fitment. OBGYN - The head, intake/exhaust manifold, fuel system, rods, pistons, and possibly some machining on the block (oil squirters) are all different from the Cobalt engine. The block starts in the factory the same as any other Gen II Ecotec though. snredrum - That "problem" only exists if the doors are partially open (i believe) and I've never heard of a problem on the way up, it's when closing. I have closed my hood with the doors open with no problem, but they were all the way open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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