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[fusion]

Seriously I hope you die and go to hell! This is not a political forumn.Keep your fucking opinions to your self.You saw how out of hand this stuff got last time and you still decided to bring it up again.I will vote but I'm not going to tell you who for but I do hope Obama loses just to piss in your cheerios.

That was a bit much man. Relax.

This is also not a:

- What is like outside forum

- Are WhoDey's shoes pimp or teh ghey forum

- A ski/snowboarding forum

- A Christina Aguilera picture posting forum

- A gun nut forum

That is what off topic is for.

You don't like what's posted in Off-Topic, don't read it and don't participate.

[Cleaner]

You think maybe speaking english should be a requirement to vote... that might make a good poll.

I was thinking that maybe he just brought his non english speaking mom to show her the process.

[Cleaner]

Seriously I hope you die and go to hell! This is not a political forumn.Keep your fucking opinions to your self.You saw how out of hand this stuff got last time and you still decided to bring it up again.I will vote but I'm not going to tell you who for but I do hope Obama loses just to piss in your cheerios.

I can't wait for JRMMii to post pages and pages of articles with citations to rebuff Rocky's comments. I don't know where or how he'll find articles but I'm sure he will. LOL

[Disclaimer]

Seriously I hope you die and go to hell! This is not a political forumn.Keep your fucking opinions to your self.You saw how out of hand this stuff got last time and you still decided to bring it up again.I will vote but I'm not going to tell you who for but I do hope Obama loses just to piss in your cheerios.

Its comments like that, that make it get out of hand. The unnecessary swearing really doesn't cast you in a very intelligent light. While the thread was set up to bait people... I'm looking for intelligent discussion, not belligerence.

I'm sorry that you get so upset over a few words posted on a forum, but to be fair, I did post it in the "Off-Topic" section. If you don't like reading about anything other than motorcycles, you should probably not stray too far from the general forums.

[Cleaner]

I'm sorry that you get so upset over a few words posted on a forum, but to be fair, I did post it in the "Off-Topic" section. If you don't like reading about anything other than motorcycles, you should probably not stray too far from the general forums.

I call BULLSHIT on you JRMMiii... Source??? LOL

[fusion]

I call BULLSHIT on you JRMMiii... Source??? LOL

[fusion]

You think maybe speaking english should be a requirement to vote... that might make a good poll.

We would have to make English our official language first. Without that you have no basis for insisting someone be required to know English to vote.

[robhawk]

wouldnt the polls have to be in multiple languages then?

[Disclaimer]

I call BULLSHIT on you JRMMiii... Source??? LOL

Source: http://ohio-riders.net/forums.php

Midway down the page, I believe it says, "Off-Topic: chat about whatever you want."

Unless I'm mistaken on the definitions of the words "chat", "whatever", or "you"... :D

[fusion]

wouldnt the polls have to be in multiple languages then?

Hrmmm I'm trying to remember, but I think there is something on the books that requires ballots to be provided in in different languages for those who need. Not 100% sure though, it's been a while since I read on it as part of a class I was taking.

[robhawk]

Im not sure either? But does raise interesting debate, if your cant read the ballot... how is the vote valid?

[Disclaimer]

Im not sure either? But does raise interesting debate, if your cant read the ballot... how is the vote valid?

That is an interesting debate, but I counter with - there are English speaking people that don't even understand the issues they're voting on, so wouldn't that basically be equivalent.

[Cleaner]

Im not sure either? But does raise interesting debate, if your cant read the ballot... how is the vote valid?

If you are going to require people to know how to read English in order to vote, you will disenfranchise the whole state of West Virginia.

[fusion]

Im not sure either? But does raise interesting debate, if your cant read the ballot... how is the vote valid?

It becomes a moot point because they can't deny you your right to vote even if you can't read.

[robhawk]

So where is the validity of the vote gone.. at what point? good food for thought.

[Gump]

I copied and pasted again.....Why if my relatives or family member dies and there last wish is to give me money would i want it to be taxed......???? I don't get it. I'm sure if this is untrue i'll hear about it. Lets just make us all have the same house and even out the wealth so the only one on top is the gubment?

Wake the Hell up Americans! Do not let this socialist get control of the

White House .

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN

0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not

propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA

28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you

sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If

you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home

or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your

home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are

counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN

15% (no change)

OBAMA

39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in

stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement

accounts or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying

nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president.

The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains

would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400

Single making 50K - tax $14,000

Single making 75K - tax $23,250

Married making 60K - tax $16,800

Married making 75K - tax $21,000

Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN

- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA

Restore the inheritance tax. Many families have lost businesses, farms,

ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because

they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved

ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square

feet.

New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already).

New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity).

New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....

New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level

of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

You can verify the above at the following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html%20

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html

[Disclaimer]

You can tell that was copied and pasted. Whoever originally sent that to you (or the original creator) was hoping no one checked the links. Some of them aren't valid (go nowhere -- like the foxnews ones)... while others don't corroborate the facts in there.

All I needed to do was to look at the tax structure to realize the information is inaccurate. Given that, the whole passage can't be trusted to present anything factual. So, your copy and pasted information, is wrong.

Here's the capital gains information -- http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/obama-clarifies.html

Obama Clarifies Scope of Capital Gains Tax Hike

August 14, 2008 7:33 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis, Arnab Datta, and Rigel Anderson Report: Sen. Barack Obama’s, D-Ill., top economic advisors announced on Thursday that he is seeking to raise the capital gains tax rate from 15 percent to 20 percent for those Americans making more than $250,000 per year.

“The top capital-gains rate for families making more than $250,000 would return to 20% -- the lowest rate that existed in the 1990s and the rate President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut. A 20% rate is almost a third lower than the rate President Reagan set in 1986,” wrote Obama advisors Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal.

Thursday’s Wall Street Journal op-ed is the first time that Obama’s campaign has pinpointed the scope of his capital gains tax hike on families making more than $250,000 per year, according to Obama spokesman Bill Burton. The details on the capital gain tax hike are part of a broader economic platform that prioritizes tax relief for middle-class families over deficit reduction.

When asked about the capital gains rate back in March, Obama told CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo that he “certainly would not go above . . . 28 percent,” adding, “and my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that.”

He went on to say: “I think that we can have a capital gains rate that is higher than 15 percent [the current level]. If it – and if it, you know – when I talk to people like Warren Buffet or others and I ask them, you know, what’s – how much of a difference is it going to be if it’s 20 or 25 percent, they say, look, if it’s within that range, then it’s not going to distort, I think, economic-decision making.”

In the past, Fox News analyst Dick Morris has used Obama’s seeming openness to raising the capital gains rate as high as “28 percent” to argue that the presumptive Democratic nominee favors a “doubling” of the tax on capital gains.

On television, in op-eds, and in his new book, “Fleeced,” Morris has converted the Obama line into the false charge that the presumptive Democratic nominee “pledges to double the capital gains tax.”

“This misguided policy will drive capital off shore and turn a flow into a torrent,” wrote Morris. “The financial problems of American banks will be amplified. McCain should pounce on this issue and correlate the current crisis with Obama’s position on capital gains. It would be a big winner.”

By getting specific about how high he would like to see the capital gains rate go for families making more than $250,000 per year, Obama is helping to inoculate himself against the charge that he is open to going almost as high as 28 percent.

[Disclaimer]

And that "socialist" comment is pretty much used as a fearmongering word by people that really don't know what true socialism is.

Joe Biden should have told the truth: Sarah Palin is a Marxist

Posted on October 28, 2008 by JS OBrien

Vice-presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden (D-Delaware) ran into a buzzsaw of an interview from Barbara West of WFTV-TV, Channel 9, in Orlando, Fla on October 23. West is the wife of Wade West, a GOP political and media consultant, and her bias was evident as she made more than one statement of opinion, as though it were fact, then proceeded to ask a question related to that opinion/faux fact. The exchange making the rounds most often in the blogosphere is this one:

West: “You may recognize this famous quote: ‘From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.’ That’s from Karl Marx. How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around.”

Biden: “Are you joking? Is … is this a joke?”

West: “No.”

Biden: “Is that a real question?”

West: “That’s a real question.”

Biden, of course, being caught by surprise, could say little that would be of much use on a television screen. He could have made the point that all taxation does, in some manner, spread wealth. Even soldiers are paid from tax dollars and, while they earn their pay, there’s no question that they are being paid from taxpayer’s wealth. Anyone being paid to serve taxpayers, from dog catchers to police, are part of a wealth spreading scheme of some sort.

What Biden should have done, had he not been blind-sided, was to make the point that all Obama is doing is adjusting the progressive income tax structure that was supported by none other than Adam Smith, the patron saint of free markets, and introduced to the US, originally, by Republican Abraham Lincoln. Later, the progressive income tax was supported so heavily by Republican Teddy Roosevelt that the Constitution was amended to accommodate the income tax, and Roosevelt made it clear, in a speech delivered in 1910, why he thought a progressive tax was the right way to go.

No man should receive a dollar unless that dollar has been fairly earned. Every dollar received should represent a dollar’s worth of service rendered, not gambling in stocks, but service rendered. The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as in degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective, a graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion, and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate.

When it comes to redistributing wealth, good ol’ Republican Teddy was pretty clear, wasn’t he? Maybe Teddy Roosevelt was a Marxist.

What about Republican Ronald Reagan, the modern patron saint of conservatism? Reagan was a big supporter of the earned income credit (EIC), a distribution from wealthy taxpayers to less wealthy ones, saying it is, “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.” Both Reagan and George Bush the First increased funding for the EIC. Are they both Marxists?

But perhaps the most effective response might have gone like something like this:

Barbara, I’m glad you asked that question, because words like “socialist” and “Marxist” are getting tossed around by people who are afraid of losing an election, hoping that these words will sway enough votes to get them into the White House, riding on a lie.

The fact is, Barbara, that if there is a socialist or Marxist in this race — and I don’t really believe there is — then it has to be Sarah Palin.

In Sarah Palin’s state of Alaska, every citizen gets a check from the government every year for doing absolutely nothing. Not for work. Not for anything they’ve earned. They get that check just for breathing and living in Alaska. Last year, that check amounted to $3,269 per taxpayer. And all for nothing.

Do you know where Alaska gets that money? They get it mostly from the oil companies that pump oil from the state.

More than half of Alaska’s total tax revenues come from separation taxes,

which are basically taxes on oil and minerals taken from the ground. Another 25% or so comes from corporate taxes. Because companies are paying so much, Alaska citizens pay no income or state sales taxes.

But they do get a check generated from the wealth those big companies generate. And there is no other state in the Union that doesn’t require either a sales or income tax from its citizens, yet gives them a check every year from money those citizens didn’t earn.

I don’t really think Sarah Palin is a Marxist, Barbara. I think that’s a word made up by desperate people who will do anything to win - even tear our country apart by demonizing their opponents. But if there is a Marxist in this race, Sarah Palin would have to be the one.

Maybe we could get

Sarah for being un-American.

[cmoosego]

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[rockybalboa]

If I need to shut up or listen you need to do the same.Most people onthis forumn are tired of JRMi political ramblings.If you don't belive me check out the frist couple pages of the server break down discussion thread.Here is the thing about political views,There is not a true correct answer.

[SchmuckGirl]

I was thinking that maybe he just brought his non english speaking mom to show her the process.

As far as I could tell, they took two ballots.

[fusion]

The only people tired of his "ramblings" are those with no real rebuttal and those that can't figure out how to not open a thread they aren't interested in.

And there is a true correct answer...it's just not republican or democrat.

[SchmuckGirl]

If I need to shut up or listen you need to do the same.Most people onthis forumn are tired of JRMi political ramblings.If you don't belive me check out the frist couple pages of the server break down discussion thread.Here is the thing about political views,There is not a true correct answer.

Aint that the truth!

But it's all good for people to get into political discussions, if they want, because if you don't care to be bothered with it you can easily choose not to open the thread. I just can't wait for this election to be behind us.

[robhawk]

As far as I could tell, they took two ballots.

Now my question is was that ballot in english? If it was her son could have told her it said anything... thats just wrong and should not be allowed.

[Zoner1320]

I know I really do not share my political views and that is my choice. I entered this forum because it is always interesting and fun to watch the temp. rise. I actually find humor in here in a sick twisted kinda way. I vote for JRMii on 11-4-08