ImUrOBGYN Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 police state? No. 11 The police officers were not city cops but univeristy police. Personaly but parties were wrong. The police did not need to taser him the fact that one cop picked him up and carried him to hte back of the room. Plus there were more than enough officers there to control him and cuff him. And talking with some people at work here apparently the guy planned on pushing the police to the point of being tassed. looking for more info about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 I caught that on the news and was going to post it but never got around to it. IMHO the police were over zealous. The guy was a tool but I dont see why they arrested him. You should not have to shut up because a cop told you not to speak, at a public forum. In this case he asked tough but fair questions of Kerry, and did nothing wrong. Here is the video from afterwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted September 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 I would really like to know what happens after that last video. Just a bit of trivia, not really on the exact subject but does concern campus police power: Texas A&M University, of which there is a main campus in College Station, TX, the last city I lived in before moving here, has given their campus police full police jurisdiction on any property owned by A&M. This includes properties, universities, research and mineral lands, farms and even state forest lands, etc throughout many counties in Texas and other states. When this first came about a few years back, I was shocked when I really began to dig into just how large of a jursidiction this consisted of. I won't get into all the political, social, and "whathaveyous" of this move by this establishment. (Too much to get into.) To quote, "...and have the same authority and power as any other police agency within the State of Texas. Police officers enforce all applicable federal, state, county, and city laws as well as university regulations." Notice they are refered here as "police officers". They are campus police who have been 'trained' but can not be technically refered to as police officers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad is Dead Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 i think its bullshit.....but that guy seemed a little off his rocker....talking about how the police are going to kill him and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 That kid is a fucking idiot. It seemed he was trying to disrupt and be a prick. However, he wasn't disorderly enough to warrant removal in my mind. I also don't think a taser was needed at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Reminds me of: Even quoted it. lol The campus cops who zapped need to be fired. If the guy wants to say his peace, he can do it outside. A lecture is not his forum unless it's his lecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelloman4571647545499 Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 after those tasers came out it seemed like police, campus police, everyone with a badge wanted to try and use it. It also seems like everytime they use there is a camera around and it goes on youtube. I think this: 4 overweight/bigger guys, 1 smaller guy, 1 girl should be able to get a 185lb 6 foot guy to the ground with no problem. Just seems like all these law enforcement (or like) people want to use them just to use them. I personally think that guy wasnt going anywhere when he had roughly a half ton of people on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Reminds me of: Even quoted it. lol The campus cops who zapped need to be fired. If the guy wants to say his peace, he can do it outside. A lecture is not his forum unless it's his lecture. It was a question and answer forum. So he was asking a question of Mr. Kerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 It was a question and answer forum. So he was asking a question of Mr. Kerry. After watching it again, I still don't see an intelligable question. He was making a series of statements. The only question in all of that could have been summed up in under 5 seconds: "How can you concede the election on the night-of with millions of votes yet uncounted? Do you know about the nationwide voter fraud and disenfranchisement?" Done, no tazer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 He committed a battery when he ripped the mic from the person speaking, he was trespassing after the first request to leave the premises, when being escorted out he resisted arrest with and without violence. In the use of force continuum, the use of a Taser is a soft technique, along the lines of pepper spray. He needed to be controlled. He refused to leave when asked. He broke free and kept screaming. He wouldnt comply. He was in control of the entire situation, he decided to escalate the situation and now pays the price for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttemper Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 He committed a battery when he ripped the mic from the person speaking, he was trespassing after the first request to leave the premises, when being escorted out he resisted arrest with and without violence. In the use of force continuum, the use of a Taser is a soft technique, along the lines of pepper spray. He needed to be controlled. He refused to leave when asked. He broke free and kept screaming. He wouldnt comply. He was in control of the entire situation, he decided to escalate the situation and now pays the price for that. i was just getting ready to type a reply like yours, but you saved me the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 I stole that rom SVTP just too lazy to quote it. The guy that typed that has been an LEO more years than I've been alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted September 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 He committed a battery when he ripped the mic from the person speaking, he was trespassing after the first request to leave the premises, when being escorted out he resisted arrest with and without violence. In the use of force continuum, the use of a Taser is a soft technique, along the lines of pepper spray. He needed to be controlled. He refused to leave when asked. He broke free and kept screaming. He wouldnt comply. He was in control of the entire situation, he decided to escalate the situation and now pays the price for that. I think I'm going to have to disagree with this line of reasoning and just leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 He committed a battery when he ripped the mic from the person speaking, he was trespassing after the first request to leave the premises, when being escorted out he resisted arrest with and without violence. In the use of force continuum, the use of a Taser is a soft technique, along the lines of pepper spray. He needed to be controlled. He refused to leave when asked. He broke free and kept screaming. He wouldnt comply. He was in control of the entire situation, he decided to escalate the situation and now pays the price for that. Agreed, while adding the battery is a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 I think I'm going to have to disagree with this line of reasoning and just leave it at that. It's not reasoning, just the way it is. Fact of the matter is, they used no excessive force. Tazer is a soft technique, not going to cause any real damage in almost all cases. They followed the proper steps necessary to justify such force. Read a little background on the kid. It seems as if he was trying to cause a seen. In the report, the officer that tazered him said he was calm when there were no cameras. He said that in the cruiser he told the officers he wasn't mad at them, that they did nothing wrong. He also asked if there would be cameras at the jail. He knew what was going to happen I would guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahnstoermer1647545488 Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Taser was a bad idea.... I kind of agree with him showing how much (too much) control police try and force on people. I saw a cop kick the side of a car on campus the other day because the car didn't go in the lane he pointed to. He kicked the car and started screaming. Then there's the video of the insane cop threatening to make up charges and screaming the F word at a kid who did nothing wrong from last week. I think the pendulum needs to swing back a damn good bit in general, towards respect for citizens. Putting the cop who threatened to make up charges in jail himself and firing a cop who kicks someone's car would be a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPLN SUX Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Thats fucked up. Id be pressing a civil liberties law suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coltboostin Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 He committed a battery when he ripped the mic from the person speaking, he was trespassing after the first request to leave the premises, when being escorted out he resisted arrest with and without violence. In the use of force continuum, the use of a Taser is a soft technique, along the lines of pepper spray. He needed to be controlled. He refused to leave when asked. He broke free and kept screaming. He wouldnt comply. He was in control of the entire situation, he decided to escalate the situation and now pays the price for that. He is dead on. Further more-this was a Kerry Q&A session, and Kerry himself has his right weather or not to hear, or accept any question posed (not that he had anything to do with this-its just food for though). He was asked by some level of law enforcement to stop being disruptive. Once he refused, and refused to do as they asked-he had it coming. As for the comment that he had 1/2 ton of human on him-would it have looked better if the big black dude broke his shoulder forcing his arms behind his back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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