KillJoy Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Just because you are a Republican, and I am a Democrat, it doesn't mean we cannot get along. I will hug your Elephant, and you can kiss my Ass! KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 She wants it taught along side. Discussion for church.. Pallin is a dumb bitch I'm listening to her and shes fucking tard. I don't know why I am debating this with you Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both." Nowhere does it say in the same class...NOWHERE "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." "I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism," Palin said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUGT Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 She wants it taught along side. Discussion for church.. Pallin is a dumb bitch I'm listening to her and shes fucking tard. So you disagree with her on the origins of what you consider to be a 60 million year old universe...what else makes her a "fucking tard?" We deal with what we have. Do you swallow everything Obama has to offer? I know you dont. I know you are a Ron Paul guy, and I would be too if he had a chance to win. Abstract "she's a dumb bitch" statements never get any positive resulting dialogue. As far as the supposed book banning incident goes, I'm torn. I understand the free speech arguement. It's a public library where all points of view should be respected. However, then I hear the ID haters "banning" any point of view that may differ with theirs in a publicly funded school. Have a good one, Thorne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptn janks Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 i dont think its a "banning" of ID ideas... just that religious dogma is not science and therefore should not be taught in a science class. if you want to have a religions class, thats fine go ahead and teach it there. but dont try to pass it off as science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 If kids are going to do what they want, why not teach them how to do it safely, while telling them not doing it is the safest? KillJoy Simple, She's Catholic.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 i dont think its a "banning" of ID ideas... just that religious dogma is not science and therefore should not be taught in a science class. if you want to have a religions class, thats fine go ahead and teach it there. but dont try to pass it off as science. I'm not sure anyone has tried to pass it off as science. But current law states that if a child asks about ID in a science class, all a teacher can say is that they cannot discuss it. Wouldn't you like the teacher to be able to explain that the theory is not testable through the scientific method and why that is not science? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptn janks Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 also mccain is against net neutrality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I just wish there was a candidate / party that had a chance, that shared a MAJORITY of my views. KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptn janks Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I'm not sure anyone has tried to pass it off as science. But current law states that if a child asks about ID in a science class, all a teacher can say is that they cannot discuss it. Wouldn't you like the teacher to be able to explain that the theory is not testable through the scientific method and why that is not science? thats like bringing up a math question during english class IMO. but i get what you are sayoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 thats like bringing up a math question during english class IMO. but i get what you are sayoing. Not really... So a child is taught their whole life about how God created the universe. They get to 7th grade science class and the teacher starts talking about the Big Bang and so on. Little Johnny is sitting there going "wtf is this B.S.?" and asks "well what about ID?" and the teacher says "I cannot discuss that in the classroom". Little Johnny leaves the class having learned nothing and thinking that the teacher is a fruit cake... or is horribly upset that everything they know was just told to be wrong. It needs to be allowed to be discussed so the differences in how scientific theories and such can be tested. I am personally one of the few people that believes in both. There does NOT have to be one side or the other. If open discussion occurs it would allow the kids to take in the scientific aspect of Evolution without freaking them out as much (or writing it off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 What does it matter about teaching this, she will never get anything on it passed. What a waste of time this argument is... What part of a 3 branch Government do you all not understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 What does it matter about teaching this, she will never get anything on it passed. What a waste of time this argument is... What part of a 3 branch Government do you all not understand? She never even tried anything in Alaska and the Gov. appoints the state school board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I agree, banning books is dumb No, it's unconstitutional, criminal, and against everything our forefathers faught for. This is a big deal, and should be seized upon by anyone able to investigate it. I want to know what books she wanted to keep from the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 No, it's unconstitutional, criminal, and against everything our forefathers faught for. learn to type the quote code please or click the button..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Lots of the purveyors of so called Christian Science try to pass it off as just that. Science, which it is most definitely not. Even the words "Intelligent Design" are meant to invoke a relationship between intelligence and religion. Sorry but the words "God made man from dirt", don't inspire anything that can be confused with intelligence. Plus ID always ends with the same chicken/egg argument. ID proponents state that we as humans are inherently complex beings. Therefore we can deduce that our creator is infinitely more complex than ourselves. Using their own ruleset that the complex must be designed, than the creator (being complex) must have been created by an even more intelligent and complex being. Ofcourse that's where we swim some murky waters. Most creationists throw their own model out the window if you look past the creation of humans. "The rules don't apply to god", that's called breaking a rule, and therefore is not science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I know you are a Ron Paul guy, and I would be too if he had a chance to win. THIS right here, is the problem with our election process right now, and the reason why we keep getting craptastic candidates. I'm going to vote for Paul. It doesn't matter whether McCain or Obama get in, they're BOTH going to fuck our country over at a time when it can LEAST afford it. And why are we arguing over books and ID? Who's going to solve the problem in the middle east? Who's going to fix our energy crisis? Fuck it. BOTH of them are going to cloud the issue with stuff like books and ID and wave their minorities about so that the public doesn't notce that NEITHER have a plan, or their plans are hamstrung by a moronic need to be OPPOSITE the other guy. Fuck Obama, Fuck McCain, Fuck our politics... Maybe now's the time to follow my dream of living in a shack out side the Nuremburgring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 You're right, we don't need books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 The "issues" can't simply be polarized, as they generally go hand in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 More e-books would be better IMO. The Paper and Binding thing is overdue to go..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 "ID" is stupid anyways.. Evolution *IS* ID. "ID" proponents just want a puff of smoke and some magic words. They're disappointed that God used such slow and far-reaching and detailed process to make man, and REALLY want there to have been some Gandalf-like magic involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Thought you all would find this a good read. I always enjoy the fact check institutions pointing out what frauds politicians are -- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check This one also shows a good checkup on the tax plans -- I was actually surprised that Obama's was overall pretty close to the claim as I always thought someone would disprove it as overly exaggerated at some point, but he was a lot more accurate than I thought he would be. http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/04/news/economy/obama_claim_p1/index.htm?postversion=2008090409 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUGT Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 THIS right here, is the problem with our election process right now, and the reason why we keep getting craptastic candidates. I'm going to vote for Paul. It doesn't matter whether McCain or Obama get in, they're BOTH going to fuck our country over at a time when it can LEAST afford it. And why are we arguing over books and ID? Who's going to solve the problem in the middle east? Who's going to fix our energy crisis? Fuck it. BOTH of them are going to cloud the issue with stuff like books and ID and wave their minorities about so that the public doesn't notce that NEITHER have a plan, or their plans are hamstrung by a moronic need to be OPPOSITE the other guy. Fuck Obama, Fuck McCain, Fuck our politics... Maybe now's the time to follow my dream of living in a shack out side the Nuremburgring. Don't hate the player hate the game? It's a results oriented game? (Insert additional cliche' here.) I'll take my chances with McCain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Don't hate the player hate the game? It's a results oriented game? (Insert additional cliche' here.) I'll take my chances with McCain. A game?? I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 So you disagree with her on the origins of what you consider to be a 60 million year old universe...what else makes her a "fucking tard?" We deal with what we have. Do you swallow everything Obama has to offer? I know you dont. I know you are a Ron Paul guy, and I would be too if he had a chance to win. Abstract "she's a dumb bitch" statements never get any positive resulting dialogue. As far as the supposed book banning incident goes, I'm torn. I understand the free speech arguement. It's a public library where all points of view should be respected. However, then I hear the ID haters "banning" any point of view that may differ with theirs in a publicly funded school. Have a good one, Thorne Bull shit lets teach the Quran then. School is for science and science related topics. Music is Science Math is science Sports are science ID is not science /topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Bull shit lets teach the Quran then. School is for science and science related topics. Music is Science Math is science Sports are science ID is not science /topic ROFL wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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