El Karacho1647545492 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Seriously, every day I read a story about how the Dow Jones is fluctuating wildly, gaining or losing 300 points based on some random event that occurred on any given day. The entire reason our economy is in the shitter is because of speculation based investment. When are these fucking idiots going to learn? However, that's not the thing that made me scratch my head. This was: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/18/mayors.pork/index.html?iref=mpstoryview I read the article a while back about the Mayors' conference that suggested 11k "ready-to-go" infrastructure projects that would stimulate jobs, etc, but this is fucking retarded. It's clear to me that the people we're electing into office just don't fucking know how the system or economy work. We elect into office one of two presidential candidates who vow to fight porkbarrel spending, and yet we're still getting this shit! Admittedly some of these things would indeed create jobs, but it's clear that these stupid mayors just came together and said "okay put everything in this proposal that you think will create jobs" instead of "how do we increase the public welfare of our town/country?" /rant. Discuss your outrage. edit: example, the Roger Williams Zoo in Providence wants $4.8m to build a polar bear exhibit. Sure, it'll create jobs in the short term, and probably boost zoo revenue, but what the fuck good does that do the public. Like if the zoo went under due to harsh economy zoologists all over will be feeling the hurt, local communities will start looting zoos and stealing tigers. Fucking retards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I lost faith in teh .gov to wise decisions a long time ago. Hell, I don't even trust the vast majority of U.S. citizens to make wise decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 F the Gov't since the bailouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 F the Gov't since the 1900's ding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Infrastructure projects are trickle up type things. Get people to work, get them money to spend, they spend it, businesses they spend their money in start to flourish, creates jobs, etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUGT Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 govt doesnt create wealth....how hard of a concept is this to grasp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Infrastructure projects are trickle up type things. Get people to work, get them money to spend, they spend it, businesses they spend their money in start to flourish, creates jobs, etc. etc. Oh I agree, but just look at what they consider "infrastructure" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Oh I agree, but just look at what they consider "infrastructure" Back in the 30's they built high school football stadiums and shit like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Main3s Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Just build a big fucking thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Back in the 30's they built high school football stadiums and shit like that. yep, and all for naught until 1941 rolled around and we got into a war. except this time we're in the war first, then came the economic collapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUGT Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Alex, Why so glum? Your guy won! He's gonna fix everything. So Merry Christmas to us all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 How can a politician have the time to learn proper economics, etc when they have to spend so much time and money just to get somewhere in our political system? Not all, but I believe many politicians get where they're at simply by knowing the right people, greasing the right gears, screwing over the right people, etc. You almost can't blame them, as there is hardly any other way to do it. The way they are funded and who ultimately runs the show because of it, obviously, has much to do with this. Alex, Why so glum? Your guy won! He's gonna fix everything. So Merry Christmas to us all! Hey, there you are. I've been missing all your internetz wizdoms. I have a book for you to read. http://www.jjsargent.com/finetooth/deadhorse2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Not all, but I believe many politicians get where they're at simply by knowing the right people, greasing the right gears, screwing over the right people, etc. Who is Caroline Kennedy? KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 This is America, there is no personal responsibility and everyone is to be handed everything. If that doesn't happen, fuck it, sue them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 This is America, there is no personal responsibility and everyone is to be handed everything. If that doesn't happen, fuck it, sue them. You may have more sense than originally expected. gratz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 We will continue to be doomed as a society as long as it's considered inappropriate to inform someone that they are being an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Alex, Why so glum? Your guy won! He's gonna fix everything. So Merry Christmas to us all! While GWB has proved to us all that one man can take a country from an extremely high point to the lowest of lows, I think the uphill climb back to the top is a bit more difficult; more so than one man. We need institutional change, and it starts at the bottom, not at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Change is coming... ...or so thinketh 52% of voters a couple of months ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensan Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 govt doesnt create wealth....how hard of a concept is this to grasp? wealthy people != healthy economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supldys Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I guarantee some rep from RI switched a vote so that his polar bear exhibit would get on a spending bill somewhere. Earmarks are around to convince people to go mavericky. "You vote with us on this one, and our committee will make sure your community gets something later" And nobody in congress actually complains because they want that earmark to be for their district, to get them re-elected. If the RI zoo gets their polar bear exhibit, the 10 people that live there will be so excited they'll re-elect him for sure. SO I bet thismainstreet plan is the culmination of all the earmarks of the people they had to get to switch votes to get the bailout passed, it probably took a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUGT Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 While GWB has proved to us all that one man can take a country from an extremely high point to the lowest of lows, I think the uphill climb back to the top is a bit more difficult; more so than one man. We need institutional change, and it starts at the bottom, not at the top. Institutional change will only occur when term limits are imposed on every branch of govt. Conservative, liberal, libertarian etc appoints are still sitting from the Nixon or Carter admins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Institutional change will only occur when term limits are imposed on every branch of govt. Conservative, liberal, libertarian etc appoints are still sitting from the Nixon or Carter admins! I actually agree with you on term limits. There definitely needs to be more roatation and fresher minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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