AWW$HEEET Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse): Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty, Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz). Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs): A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rimfire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. A semiautomatic shotgun with (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder. Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits. Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.” Note that Obama’s pick for this office (Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set for Jan. 15) wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public. That presumption can be challenged only by suing the federal government over each firearm it decides to ban, in a court it runs with a judge it pays. This virtually dismisses the principles of the Second Amendment. The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent. If these near-total bans aren’t enough, the most dangerous part may be the phrase “pistol grip” because: “The term ‘pistol grip’ means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.” In other words, any semi-auto long gun with a grip (that’s ALL semi-auto long guns) would be banned under the existing proposal. It’s not clear what they hope to achieve by deceptively banning guns with grips instead of just calling to ban the guns — even an idjit can tell it’s the same thing. I didn’t cover here all the magazine bans, transfer bans, dealer record-keeping and centralized reporting, and a host of nuisance details — there will be time enough for that when the new lists are released soon: “As soon as President-elect Obama is inaugurated and the 111th Congress is sworn in,” according to Ms. Brady. Congress is set to be sworn in on Jan. 6, Inauguration Day is Jan. 20. No one expects the new proposal to be less abusive than the current one supported by the party of the Democrats. Remember — these bans were proposed when the congressional anti-rights crowd had no chance of success. Now they are ready to run wild, or according to Sarah herself, “I have never been so confident.” The “news” media has failed to report on any of this, preferring instead to blare that the incoming president supports the Second Amendment and commonsense (sic) laws. To see the whole bill, go to http://thomas.loc.gov and search for HR 1022, (switch to the 110th Congress if the 111th has begun). http://www.FirearmsCoalition.org.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinergi Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I have what I want off of the list, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 M1, plz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 if i read that right then the M1 Gerand is still ok because its 8 round mag not 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 How is this enforced? Is everyone supposed to just hand their shit over to the govt, or does it just prohibit dealers from selling it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahnstoermer1647545488 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 WOW. Good thing I ordered my LWRC M6A2 last week! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF the LIBS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Wow, its a good thing that any bill not passed before Congress convenes dies off, and has to be completely started over. EVERYONE STOP WITH THE CONSPIRACY BULLSHIT! HR 1022 died off a long time ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRed Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 EVERYONE STOP WITH THE CONSPIRACY BULLSHIT! HR 1022 died off a long time ago! Yeah I was going to say the same thing. This thing ran out of time and went no where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 No M1A/M14 :ninja: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahnstoermer1647545488 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Wow, its a good thing that any bill not passed before Congress convenes dies off, and has to be completely started over. EVERYONE STOP WITH THE CONSPIRACY BULLSHIT! HR 1022 died off a long time ago! Help us out here, I'm too lazy to do the background research... Got any good links summarizing this info you're talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenger1647545502 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 if i read that right then the M1 Gerand is still ok because its 8 round mag not 10? Depends on what they decide what "barrel shroud" means. I would not be at all surprised to find out that Pelosi and Feinstein and their ilk want that term to mean ANYTHING that wraps around the barrel, such as handguards..... BTW, what makes you think they won't do anything more than cut & paste that whole list onto their next attempt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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