Aaron Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Will do...there are a handful of used RS4's in the area as well that are for sale:cool:...cheaper than the SHO:rolleyes: You have excellent taste sir. RS4 is my favorite sport sedan, followed by the new M3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SicShelby Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 We went down to Ricart to tour the show room floor and meet the "new" Shelby Cobras they are selling there. There was an SHO in the show room floor that grabbed my attention, and I'll have to tell you, it IS a big car! The front fender stood above my hip, and I'm six foot! You should see the room in that trunk too - haven't seen that much room in ANY car in a while! The inside was very nice too - comfortable, and the center console was really accessible (it didn't feel like anything was "far away" from you). I have to tell you... for a car that size? It ROCKED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Here is a great picture to show how BIG the new SHO is, granted the L is lowered. http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=103408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt B. Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 A car is as reliable as the maintenance that it receives. +1 on that. I put 170k on my lightly modded GT, and never had a single problem out of it, and it was an auto. I'll take the engine out of the SHO, you can keep the rest. Last I heard GM was dicking around with the Idea of keeping the G8 in the family and making it the new Caprice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli1647545497 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I've owned Fords, GMs, Hondas, Mitsus, VWs, a Porsche, Mercedes, and one BMW. I've talked to mechanics who work on all of them and they ALL hate their ownbrand the worst. Ford techs hate Fords, BMW techs hate BMW, on and on and on. Its *ALL* personal conjecture. Rationalizing what you like with anecdotes. They all break. Or they all run to a million miles. Anyone thinks one brand is blanketly better than another hasnt been around long enough. Buy what you want. Trash it or take care of it is the main factor in how it will last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS_Sonoma Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 lol, since when is ford reliable? I put 60k miles on mine a year...yeah its pretty fucking reliable. Srsly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I can't believe we have ANOTHER one of these threads. Is a current Audi/Bmw/MB/Lexus owner going to be considering the SHO? NO Is it really a "sports" sedan? No, not really Is it however a giant accomplishment for Ford, for which they should be proud? Hell Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Interesting. Hopefully they market this better then they did the Marauder. KillJoy PS - Is it known what Transmission is in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye1647545503 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 http://www.fordracing.com/news/detail/?article=37001 He gets mentioned by the ford rep. Pretty cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 lightnings really arent that big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseebs Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I'll take the engine out of the SHO, you can keep the rest. True dat. That things ugly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAWDAD Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Looks like "Beef Cake" is at it again. Anyone that knows Beef Cake knows he has had some fast fords including cobras and lightnings. 4500 pounds with driver. Beef Cake is a big boy!! I have been around ford drag racing for 10+ yrs and Brian is correct. Terry a.k.a. Beef Cake has had some fast and sweet cars! Here is the GT500 he bought and only had it a few months. 08' Alloy GT 500 - 1921 Miles SCT XCal2............................................. ..........$400 JLT carbon fiber intake.......................................$449 Upper supercharger pulley.................................$100 Metco auxillary idler pulley................................$190 Borla axle back exhaust.....................................$525 Dynotech 900 hp aluminum driveshaft...............$750 Steeda tri ax shifter........................................... .$310 Shelby 20" Chrome Razor Wheels.....................$1400 Nitto tires............................................. ..............$1000 Clear bra (covers bumper / hood / fenders......$900 20% Window tint.............................................. ...$200 Tokico d spec front struts and rear shocks........$580 Bmr upper control arm........................................$200 BMR billet lower control arms.............................$230 BMR sway bar relocation.......................................$ 35 BMR tubular adj panhard bar..............................$140 BMR drive shaft safety loop................................$100 BMR lowering springs 1.25 ft 1.75 rear...............$230 BMR camber bolts............................................. .....$40 BMR lower control arm relocation bracket.........$140 BMR upper control arm relocation bracket.........$140 BMR upper panhard bar support.........................$110 FRPP 4.10 Gear.............................................. ..$300 Corbeau Seats............................................. ...$1000 Total Aftermarket Parts....................................$9469 Total Installation Labor plus dyno tuning........$1400 TOTAL AFTERMARKET....................................... ..$10869 Car is garage kept. Dynoed 520rwhp at 120 miles before the driveshaft and any break in, i'd guess somwhere around 530-540rwhp. Took the car to the track 2 times, it ran 11.17@123.05 http://www.new-used-ford-cars-trucks-for-sale-bankruptcy-special-financing.com/shelby34.jpg http://www.new-used-ford-cars-trucks-for-sale-bankruptcy-special-financing.com/shelby38.jpg will be looking forward to some, i've had quite a few fast stangs, 10 sec 99 cobra 2 - 01 Lightning last one had 700 hp 900 ft/lbs 04 cobra - 535 rwhp and most recently an 06 gt md motorsports here in cincinnati is a pretty good modular tuner as well thinkin i might go with a bigger blower right away The above quote was from a gt500 forum that i am on. This was before beefcake took delivery on his gt500 I was trying to find some more pics and videos of some of his cool cars. If anyone is looking to buy a Ford he is a car sales man @ a Ford dealership in Cincinnati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I can buy a 335Xi for the same price, no thanks. Try $5,130 less. Let's break that down in case 5 large isn't a big amount. Base for the 2010 335i x drive sedan (least expensive AWD 335) is $42,300. Base for the 2010 Taurus SHO is $37,170. The Taurus SHO is only $2320 more expensive than the BMW 328xi. Much less than the price difference from the SHO to the 335xi. That's a little more apples to apples (price wise). The BMW 335xi is 14% more expensive than the SHO. On a 4 year payment plan at 5% the payment (just using some round numbers for comparison) on the BMW is $974/mth, over $100 more than the show at $856/mth. I'm not saying which one I would rather like or is better (whether you talk about price or not), but it's a little more than dishonest to say cars that are separated by 5 thousand dollars cost the same. I've heard some really good things about the interior and drive characteristics of the SHO. I've heard equally discouraging things about the brakes on the 335 as I have the SHO, both woefully under braked for the speeds and size of the vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Try $5,130 less. Let's break that down in case 5 large isn't a big amount. Base for the 2010 335i x drive sedan (least expensive AWD 335) is $42,300. Base for the 2010 Taurus SHO is $37,170. The Taurus SHO is only $2320 more expensive than the BMW 328xi. Much less than the price difference from the SHO to the 335xi. That's a little more apples to apples (price wise). The BMW 335xi is 14% more expensive than the SHO. On a 4 year payment plan at 5% the payment (just using some round numbers for comparison) on the BMW is $974/mth, over $100 more than the show at $856/mth. I'm not saying which one I would rather like or is better (whether you talk about price or not), but it's a little more than dishonest to say cars that are separated by 5 thousand dollars cost the same. I've heard some really good things about the interior and drive characteristics of the SHO. I've heard equally discouraging things about the brakes on the 335 as I have the SHO, both woefully under braked for the speeds and size of the vehicles. I would like to break your analysis down as well. The SHO has AWD standard, the 335i has RWD standard. The 335i should NOT be penalized price wise because the SHO doesn't give you a drivetrain option. If AWD isn't important to the customer, then they won't buy it, and they will be able to get into the 335i for less money than you indicated. My point is also the same point that C&D used when testing the 335i against the new S4 when they picked a RWD 335i with sport package instead of a 335xi. Your argument is exactly the same as that of Audi owners when comparing to BMW's. They think that you have to compare an Audi to the xi BMW because the Audi has it. Quality winter tires on a 335i will be more than enough for MOST people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Also, using your 48mo/5% simulation using Columbus sales tax: 335i: $41,125 (base model with destination) = $1011/month SHO: $37,995 (base model with destination) = $934/month Difference of $76/month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) I'm just comparing apples to apples. That and I was responding specifically to space ghost who,he was talking about the awd version and said they were the same price. Even using the rwd version the BMW is still much more expensive than the sho. Edited October 15, 2009 by Trouble Maker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Not to mention the SHO is more the size of a 740/750 than a 3 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 A car is as reliable as the maintenance that it receives. New sig quote. One bad thing about the 335's are that they are popping turbos left and right already. Turbo replacement on one of those will cost you $14K. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137302&highlight=turbo+lady "I mentioned last week that some higher boost cars were having turbo failures. One had the V2, downpipes, intake, and catback. BMW investigated and denied warranty coverage after finding "evidence" of tampering, so the owner had to approve $14800 of work "so far". If the engine has to be replaced, tack on about another $15000. The engine block alone is $11,845 (pt#11-00-0-415-278). I looked all this up initially, because I wanted to know how much it would cost to replace my engine if I blew it up. What I didn't realize is that you can spend another $14,000+ when you have to replace your turbos, and catalytic converters, etc. $30,000 is definitely something that gets your attention. As I said, the DME records everything from exhaust valve disconnect, implausible throttle angle/boost, misfires, battery disconnects, and even light bulb removals. I have also heard other cars in which the turbos have become noisey (whine) after usage at higher boost levels. I really think tunes that boost at anything above what Dinan recommended, (12-13 psi?) will start destroying your turbos. " http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=149484&stc=1&d=1209229427 http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=156886&stc=1&d=1211519964 http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=156887&stc=1&d=1211519964 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Oh and Audi is superior blah blah blah RS4 blah blah Quattro blah S4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 While the turbo's are one thing, the big things on the N54 is the FSI pumps failing like MAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Not to mention the SHO is more the size of a 5 series than a 3 series. Fixed that for you. The interior space of the new SHO is much smaller than the exterior suggests. I couldn't fit (leg room wise) in the new SHO. I do fit in the 3 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Damn, I didn't know the 335s were having this many problems. I just heard about the fuel pumps a few days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I can say I'm really excited about the eco boost engines in general. There should be a ton of them around eventually and be much cheaper than any numbers mentioned here so far. I'm really excited for some reason about the next ranger (rumored to have the 1.6L eco boost, ~180hp/180tq). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAWDAD Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Nothing comes from the factory as a base model. so comparing base prices don't really mean shit. anyways- cool video 2010 AUDI S4 vs. 2010 BMW 335 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=158806 s4- price as tested almost 60k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Nothing comes from the factory as a base model. so comparing base prices don't really mean shit. s4- price as tested almost 60k Talk about a completely false, blanket statement. If you want a base car, you can dealer trade for it, or order it. I got my GTI on dealer trade, 0 options. Went in today to look at the new 2010 GTI's and guess what, a 0 option car. Most 335's and S4's wont be 0 option, your right, and neither will the SHO's. Just because base cars aren't popular, doesn't mean that some people wouldn't rather have a base S4 than a loaded SHO. The S4 I built was just under 50k. None of the high dollar options, just sport diff, blutooth and 6mt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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