Nd4spd_150 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 • Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option! • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll • Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income. • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them). • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records. • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that. • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected." • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!) • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc. • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries. • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs. • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing! • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions. • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government. • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies! • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval. • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN. • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing. • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc. • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals. • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone). • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN. • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN. • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage. • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 You do realize that this bill hasn't actually become law yet, and many things about it are still being hotly debated before they can find enough votes to pass it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Oh, and a lot of that is downright untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nd4spd_150 Posted December 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Down right un-true? OK well you can tell that to my english compostion professor, and my lawyer who both read that and broke it down into plain english. You tell me what is un-true PROOVE IT and I will happily shut up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nd4spd_150 Posted December 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Yes I am aware its not a law yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Down right un-true? OK well you can tell that to my english compostion professor, and my lawyer who both read that and broke it down into plain english. You tell me what is un-true PROOVE IT and I will happily shut up. WOW, you get really defensive when someone actually speaks against whatever it is your saying dont you? It may or may not be all completely true but one things for sure, it sounds a hell of alot like propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Let's start with.....the public option got crushed. That negates several of your points. Oh, and with that attitude you can fuck off and die kthnx. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensan Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Let's start with.....the public option got crushed. That negates several of your points. Oh, and with that attitude you can fuck off and die kthnx. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji-cT58rgNc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Let's start with.....the public option got crushed. That negates several of your points. Oh, and with that attitude you can fuck off and die kthnx. +rep and the best way you can deal with someone who obviously does not think logically. crap i cant rep you again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli1647545497 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Copperhead: crushing nubs since 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Denzel Washington is gonna be pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrousbird Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I like page 50 (well, not the illegal part), but that would save me some dough every month. Usually these "break down" e-mails / posts are mostly incorrect anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 What do you really expect? If it were really this bad I imagine quite a few reps and senators would be mysteriously dissapearing over the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 if they make insurance manditory, im fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supplicium Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 If you support this in any way you are a nub. Dipshits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 If you support this in any way you are a nub. Dipshits. By this are you referring to *this* post or *this* bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 This thread fucking delivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossle Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Look the bill is BS anyways, why did we have to rush this through right during Christmas? Why not wait until right after Christmas? Then why did we bribe a senator to vote for the bill? Is this not a little suspicious, plus there is no bipartisanship so when this falls on it's face the dems have no one to blame but themselves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Down right un-true? OK well you can tell that to my english compostion professor, and my lawyer who both read that and broke it down into plain english. You tell me what is un-true PROOVE IT and I will happily shut up. Names of "your" english composition professor and "your" lawer who broke this down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berto Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Its funny people think they don't pay for illegals health care currently. They get care, its just passed on to you by ridiculously high hospital bills. Taxation Solution...eliminate income tax and just put in a really high sales tax. That way you collect tax when people spend, and you collect tax from illegals and people that earn their money illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Then why did we bribe a senator to vote for the bill? I think you meant to pluralize that. "senators" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Names of "your" english composition professor and "your" lawer who broke this down? English lesson fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 English lesson fail. Ha, How many years have you been waiting to catch me making an error! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Ha, How many years have you been waiting to catch me making an error! It's pretty easy actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippy1974 Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 this shit is just going to screw the guys that have good medical and have a good job . what i see of it the only people its going to help is the illegal in this country . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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