Scotty2Hotty Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 breathe greg:) Scott I bought a stag for my first AR to get ready for basic, probably has about 5,000 rounds through it so far and it has worked every time. Well except when Clark bought some shitty frangible rounds, made mine jam and made him buy a new bcg. But it is really a basic m4 with a rail and an eotech and that's about it. Pieced it together for under a grand (barely) without the optic and rail. I'm picky for the most part, but it's mostly preference. I think the best part to the LMT I bought is the ability to swap barrels with ease. I have a 14.5" sitting at the house aswell. My stock of 5.56 is mostly M855 green tip NATO, but I have some 55 grain sitting around aswell. I'd say most of the AR's on the market are quality pieces, but when I went out for another AR, I wanted the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 (edited) $1500 is more than enough to build a quality AR15 rifle. You can put together a quality M4 style AR15 with basic features for about $600. Check out the Del-Ton.com "Complete rifle kits." These are great for beginners and only require you to put together the lower receiver which takes about 20-30 minutes the first time you do it. You are probably on the right track going with the AR15 platform but there are MANY other options when you have a budget of $1500. Some other suggestions you might consider: Daewoo K2 - PROS: piston driven for clean operation, less recoil than the AR15, uses the same 5.56x45 ammo and magazines as the AR15, side folding stock, unusual and collectible so the rifles will appreciate over time CONS: rare and replacement parts (if needed) are hard to find and expensive - fortunately they are reliable and may never need parts, most barrels have the 1:12 twist for 55 gr. bullets and will not stabilize anything heavier AK74 - PROS: Kalashnikov reliability and simplicity - easy to clean, 5.45x39 surplus ammo is CHEAP at about $0.10/round, almost no felt recoil, available in many different configurations with wood, polymer, or folding stocks, more accurate than an AK47 CONS: not as accurate as an AR15 Czech VZ58 - PROS: 1 pound lighter than an AK47 AND has a milled receiver, fairly accurate and extremely reliable, great triggers for a military gun due to the striker style fire control group, available in wood, wood-composite, and sidefolder configurations, fire power of the 7.62x39 round, unusual grey finish which is very durable CONS: unique magazines only come in 30 round size and are more expensive than AR15 mags, unusual grey finish - you either love it or hate it! Edited November 27, 2010 by jjjxlr8 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04silvrz Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 very cool. thanks for some other options, but it sounds like the AR15 is the one for me. i am going to piece one together so I can get everything I want. thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Take a look at the sig556, its another very fine choice over an AR. Many parts are interchangable with the other 55x variants so you can build it up however you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm picky for the most part, but it's mostly preference. I think the best part to the LMT I bought is the ability to swap barrels with ease. I have a 14.5" sitting at the house aswell. My stock of 5.56 is mostly M855 green tip NATO, but I have some 55 grain sitting around aswell. I'd say most of the AR's on the market are quality pieces, but when I went out for another AR, I wanted the best. yeah I would probably get something better on my next build, especially after learning more, but I think for your first one you shouldn't get something super expensive. Something LMT is something you hold on to for a while. Though with AR platforms if something isn't as good you just swap it out, as long as the lower is okay, and that doesn't even have to be that good. My service rifle feels like crap, but some clp and it shoots everytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 yeah I would probably get something better on my next build, especially after learning more, but I think for your first one you shouldn't get something super expensive. Something LMT is something you hold on to for a while. Though with AR platforms if something isn't as good you just swap it out, as long as the lower is okay, and that doesn't even have to be that good. My service rifle feels like crap, but some clp and it shoots everytime The AR platform is pretty awesome in that reguard. Granted, I'm still in love with the M1A/M14 platform, but I'm so used to the M16/M4/AR family of Stoner's rifles, it would be stupid not to own one. My M4 I'm about to turn in shortly was brand new out of the box when I got it in January. At most, it has 400 rounds through it. I coat my bolt and buffer in RemOil, and it runs like a champ. I do the same with my M9 even with the shitty mags, it runs without failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 BTW- You coming home on Christmas leave there airborne? Trying to get some outdoor range time if you wanna join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 and keep it lubed. That should be in bold! especially the bolt and carrier. Drench that shit in oil and you are good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckingham Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 That should be in bold! especially the bolt and carrier. Drench that shit in oil and you are good to go. Roller cam pin from POF helps out a little with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 omg those so look like zombie guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckingham Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 omg those so look like zombie guns! better ban them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyOfDarkness Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Some other options, although one might be just outside of your budget....can anyone name these??? http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/86S/IMG_2001.jpg Bottom one I'm guessing is a polytech in 223. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Top looks like an AK bullpup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 My rifles have never assaulted me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Bottom one I'm guessing is a polytech in 223. Great guess! The bottom rifle is the Norinco 84S-1 which is simply a Chinese underfolder AKM in the .223 (5.56x45) caliber. Polytech may have imported some of these rifles, too. The top rifle is a Norinco 86S, which is a rare Chinese AK bullpup rifle (7.62x39) that was imported in very low numbers in the late 80's before being banned. It's pretty ugly and awkward looking but is surprisingly comfortable to shoot - once you get used to the taste of the burning powder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04silvrz Posted November 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 where do you guys find these guns? there are sooo many different guns that I had NO IDEA about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 where do you guys find these guns? there are sooo many different guns that I had NO IDEA about! I buy all mine from the back of a van in a dark alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 where do you guys find these guns? there are sooo many different guns that I had NO IDEA about! I took mine from Middle Eastern countries and shipped them back inside televisions........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04silvrz Posted November 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 lol. nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenger1647545502 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 The top rifle is a Norinco 86S, which is a rare Chinese AK bullpup rifle (7.62x39) that was imported in very low numbers in the late 80's before being banned. It's pretty ugly and awkward looking but is surprisingly comfortable to shoot - once you get used to the taste of the burning powder! What's the trigger like on that one? I fired one a couple years back, I liked the feel and performance, but the trigger was flat-out horrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 What's the trigger like on that one? I fired one a couple years back, I liked the feel and performance, but the trigger was flat-out horrible... The trigger is surprisingly good, especially for a bullpup configuration. It has a longer pull, but is not heavy and breaks nice and clean. I had read that some of the 86S rifles had problems with trigger pull before I bought it and my expectations were low. I guess I got lucky with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro1647545510 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I buy all mine from the back of a van in a dark alley. I took mine from Middle Eastern countries and shipped them back inside televisions........ LMAO. Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 If you order a rifle kit, barrel, or custom upper from Del-Ton.com on the 26th or 27th, use the BRF2010 code at check out to receive 15% off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 If you order a rifle kit, barrel, or custom upper from Del-Ton.com on the 26th or 27th, use the BRF2010 code at check out to receive 15% off. If my new bank card finally gets here, I'll have to check that out. My old man doesn't like his free float Wilson upper, even though it groups like a champ. He's been wanting my LMT since I got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 You should change the title to: Gas operated, magazine fed, semi-automatic rifle. i haven't really fired any type of Gas operated, magazine fed, semi-automatic rifle. i was also looking at tactical shotguns, I was really debating the two and decided I would like to go with aGas operated, magazine fed, semi-automatic rifle. http://ak3.pagalguy.net/wp-content/other/ctrl_c_ctrl_v_plagiarism.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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