RC K9 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Obama signed the NDAA. Hoorah for 'merica! Now its citizens can legally be indefinitely detained without a trial. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/317046 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ef8sirJunkie Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 this mean we are one step closer to martial law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Obama says, "I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation." :gabe: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murse Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Riiiiiiiight??? I'm sure that would never happen, cuz bama has followed through with all his promises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 It means...we are screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murse Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 "Obama says, "I want to clarify that my Administration" Meaning it won't happen within the next yr, since he's not getting reelected. "will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens." Meaning when it does happen there will be a finite time, but it may be 20 years it may be more. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation." Traditions and values? Wtf its a GD constitutional right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 "Obama says, "I want to clarify that my Administration" Meaning it won't happen within the next yr, since he's not getting reelected. "will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens." Meaning when it does happen there will be a finite time, but it may be 20 years it may be more. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation." Traditions and values? Wtf its a GD constitutional right. So what did you think :gabe: meant in my post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murse Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 No I got it, just wanted to spell it out for some! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I'm still curious if this suspends Posse Comitatus Act. What's funny is that it only pertains to the US Army and US Air Force. The DoD has just a regulation prohibiting the USMC and Navy from acting aswell. There is loopholes to everything, so it doesn't suprise me. I believe 1BCT 3ID out of Ft.Stewart is the acting QRF (Quick Reaction Force) for Homeland Security. Don't know if that still holds true today, but a few years back they were gearing them up for that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc1647545523 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r445/martyr65/ben_franklin_on_liberty_and_safety_poster-p228307136875566820t5wm_400.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnaplay1647545503 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 So true Doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneRunnin72SST Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Get ready for the Police State. -Erik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Yikes. Last time I remember discussing the Patriot Act I read a bunch of "catch terrorists, safety, post 9/11 Murica, blah blah blah" and all was well. Now NDAA, and it's all "constitution, losing our rights, blah blah blah". Vote Ron Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc1647545523 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 There were a lot of us squawking about the Patriot Act, but we were drowned out by the cries of the public and their officials to jetison our rights "temporarily" to catch the bad guys. You see how temporary that suspension of Constitutional rights was. Truth be told, it probably did make it easier to catch terrorists. But look at the price we've paid. It has started an erosion of our rights as citizens. Just last week I listened to a story on NPR about Homeland Security going after importers of knock-off designer handbags. Was that the threat that people had in mind when they went along with laws giving them special arrest and detainment powers? Our Federal government consumes more and more of our personal resources trying to undo problems of the government's own making. I was for Ron Paul when it was considered ridiculous to support him: http://www.columbusracing.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1351696&postcount=6 It's a little less ridiculous now, and I'm still a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I <3 Doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Full article from CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/31/politics/obama-defense-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States. The House approved the bill on December 14, and a 86-13 vote in the Senate the next day completed the necessary congressional action. At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody. Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses. "I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in a statement Saturday. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation." Obama said a section of the bill provides the "executive branch" with broad authority on military custody for non-citizen detainees. ... "Ultimately, I decided to sign this bill not only because of the critically important services it provides for our forces and their families and the national security programs it authorizes, but also because the Congress revised provisions that otherwise would have jeopardized the safety, security, and liberty of the American people," the president said Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 So let me get this straight. The president has signed a bill that says people can be jailed for being a suspected terrorist without trial. But we are supposed to "trust" that the president wont allow that to happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furloaf Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Lol Ron Paul didn't vote on it. He was too busy out campaigning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airwg2189 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 And let's not forget SOPA. Copying a CNN article would be grounds for taking CR down! Gotta love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 If I decide to vote this election, unless something crazy happens, its gonna be Ron Paul FTW! People think he is nuts, I think he is the only one I saw in the republican debate with any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 How many of you are doing something to promote positive change and prevent things like this from happening again in the future? How many of you are answering the above question by saying Im voting for a different president to fix the problem? How many years has our government dug us deeper into a hole? After years of failed presidents why do people still think voting is enough to make a real change? ...Until we have enough people willing to get their hands dirty we will continue be a group of complainers getting ass raped while posting on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyFKINPowerz Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 How many of you are doing something to promote positive change and prevent things like this from happening again in the future? How many of you are answering the above question by saying Im voting for a different president to fix the problem? How many years has our government dug us deeper into a hole? After years of failed presidents why do people still think voting is enough to make a real change? ...Until we have enough people willing to get their hands dirty we will continue be a group of complainers getting ass raped while posting on the internet. +1 The government will continue to steamroll and extenguish our rights as long as we let them. I'm not calling for a revolution but we have to be willing to do more than sit on our couches and complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furloaf Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Don't worry guys, the Occupy movement will save us. People got off of their parents' couches and into tents to really show the Man that they are fed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 +1 The government will continue to steamroll and extenguish our rights as long as we let them. I'm not calling for a revolution but we have to be willing to do more than sit on our couches and complain. Revolution is what it will take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh8sti Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Don't worry guys, the Occupy movement will save us. People got off of their parents' couches and into tents to really show the Man that they are fed up. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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