Mojoe Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 This is copied from an article posted today. I can't see how this can mean anything other than we are screwed. According to the NRA-ILA, the last primary lead smelter in the United States will close down its operation in December. This means the US will lose its capability to produce lead ammo completely within its borders from the process of mining to production of commercial cartridges. Here is the press release from the NRA-ILA. In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close. The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892. The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri’s extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its “primary” designation. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers. Several “secondary” smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States. Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter. Whatever the EPA’s motivation when creating the new lead air quality standard, increasingly restrictive regulation of lead is likely to affect the production and cost of traditional ammunition. Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California. The Center for Biological Diversity has tried multiple times to get similar regulations at the federal level by trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the EPA to regulate conventional ammunition under the Toxic Substances Control Act. At this time, it’s unclear if Doe Run or another company will open a new lead smelter in the United States that can meet the more stringent lead air quality standards by using more modern smelting methods. What is clear is that after the Herculaneum smelter closes its doors in December, entirely domestic manufacture of conventional ammunition, from raw ore to finished cartridge, will be impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/FoAFOq2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Damn...that's nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Time to start collecting wheel weights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well, you OBVIOUSLY shouldn't buy 22LR Bricks when you FINALLY see them for sale... KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hmm, 50 years worth of wheel weights may finally pay for my mansion... Buwhahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlr8tn Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 seems the good ole govt has figured out how to win the gun control debate.....just remove the ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 They will just open one in Mexico or import it from China. It probably will be cheaper too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 They will just open one in Mexico or import it from China. It probably will be cheaper too. I hope you're right. I'd say they were targeted and forced to close. Losing more jobs. Sending more business out of the US. That helps the economy, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I hope you're right. I'd say they were targeted and forced to close. Losing more jobs. Sending more business out of the US. That helps the economy, right? It's like Lead Smelting is soo much cleaner in China... lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Right. So where are US troops getting their ammo from after this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Gump 9 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Right. So where are US troops getting their ammo from after this? Duh, China... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I hope you're right. I'd say they were targeted and forced to close. Losing more jobs. Sending more business out of the US. That helps the economy, right? But they will have healthcare.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Right. So where are US troops getting their ammo from after this? Wolf military classic... I think it's time to develop energy weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I literally just talked to the AMMO guy for all military ammo coming into Ohio. Very little care, cause it's not his problem. It's not something he can change, and I get that. His job is to order and be accountable for ammo and he gets it from somewhere, who has to get it from somewhere else. I'm not trying to hit the panic button. But, I am paying attention to things that I think add up to create a really bad day, or major turning point for how we currently live. Imma have to brush up on my cave man skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I literally just talked to the AMMO guy for all military ammo coming into Ohio. Very little care, cause it's not his problem. It's not something he can change, and I get that. His job is to order and be accountable for ammo and he gets it from somewhere, who has to get it from somewhere else. I'm not trying to hit the panic button. But, I am paying attention to things that I think add up to create a really bad day, or major turning point for how we currently live. Imma have to brush up on my cave man skills. Where did you get that crossbow at? I think its time I pick one up too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I was told the military was already in the process of moving to lead free ammo. I bet they knew something we didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Not looking good gents ...unless you are the environment. In that case, things are looking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I bet they knew something we didn't You think? :lolguy: KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 ...unless you are the environment. In that case, things are looking up. Lead came from the environment, we are just giving it back to the environment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I bet they knew something we didn't I wish I could credit them with being in the "know". ...unless you are the environment. In that case, things are looking up. I can't argue that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I didn't think lead was bad for environment. It is just bad for us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macpyro2 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I didn't think lead was bad for environment. It is just bad for us.... I think its more to do with the actual smelting that is harmful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Lead came from the environment, we are just giving it back to the environment "What? I didn't break it. I was merely testing it's durability and then I placed it in the woods because it's made of wood and I just thought it should be with its family." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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