smokin5s Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 After watching the video, I think they shot him for littering. Oh and shooting tires or the engine to stop a car only works in movies. flat tire on grass / mud.... vehicle doesn't go anywhere... I've gotten stuck in my own yard with my old F-150 when the tires would go flat from sitting. so I would say shooting the tires probably would have done the job in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I'd do the same thing as the cops. Someone that fucking nuts wouldn't flinch pulling a gun and unloading back on you. You don't know if he has a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Good to see the vid on this. Seemed pretty one sided from the write ups I was reading this morning. Kid wanted it to end that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I don't wish any aspect of that story on anyone. A father lost his son, Cops had to kill a kid, I believe it is traumatic to shoot anyone especially a kid. I'm guessing this kid has been an issue for the parents, that is why they called the law. What normal kid is mad at their parents for not buying them smokes? Kid wasn't a 5 year old. Not gonna go to jail for beating a minor. Some kids have issues, partnering is tough, scariest thing about parenting, you can try everything, do everything, and in the end the kid is still human and may make bad/wrong decisions. Nobody here has made any of those. This whole story sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 the kid is still human and may make bad/wrong decisions. Nobody here has made any of those. This whole story sucks. Opposing view is he is an adolescent not a kid and I wouldn't exactly call road raging away from cops in pursuit and then using the vehicle as a weapon as you take the chase off-road on a college campus simply a bad decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 It must be awesome in black and white land, where nothing is gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 It must be awesome in black and white land, where nothing is gray. define Gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 define Gray everything in the video apparently lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinwebb Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 The kid could have easily ran over countless people driving crazy like that through a campus. Saw lots of people out walking, school bus letting kids off and tons of traffic. He had the opportunity to kill or hurt a lot of people and sheer luck kept them all out of the way. Glad they killed him as he put others in danger just cause he was mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Keep in mind that all the cops knew is they were chasing a stolen vehicle, that wasn't stopping. And wasn't afraid to ram them. Tough call for sure, but considering the circumstances they probably chose the correct one. And I'm editing the first post with a MUCH better version of the dash cam footage, which is here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 It must be awesome in black and white land, where nothing is gray. I believe you really do live in a different world than the rest of us. I hope some day you get the help you need, probably meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck531 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 After watching the dash cam video it seems that the kid was probably re-enacting a GTA scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Kid got what was coming to him. Sucks for the family, but he deserved it. If the kid was born with some kind of mental deficiency that's one thing, but I'm willing to bet it's another case of shitty parenting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I believe you really do live in a different world than the rest of us. I hope some day you get the help you need, probably meds. Yeah, a mentally ill child was killed, I have some compassion for an ill child, the police that killed him and the father, and I need meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrodh Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 that's one hell of a lesson And that's why you don't teach lessons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 the kid is still human and may make bad/wrong decisions. Nobody here has made any of those. This whole story sucks. Not a kid, he isn't 5, and I think I made mistakes/bad decisions in the past. But nothing even remotely close to what this delinquent did. Shooting was justified, if people want someone to blame, blame the parents and grand parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 after watching the video, the kid was fucked up and doesn't deserve to be behind the wheel and needs his ass beat, but I think that it could have come to a better conclusion than a police officer unloading his magazine into the truck in the kids direction... at that point in time, (and I could be wrong because I didn't see the truck) but judging by all the trees etc... I would say the truck was probably pinned and not going anywhere especailly with the police cars surrounding it... I would still say excessive force. You are wrong, shot was fired at 4:00 mark on the video. The truck was no where near pinned still backing up after ramming a cop car. The kid was probably shot bleeding out and still didn't stop him from giving up. Shooting into the the cab was justified. He was using the truck as a deadly weapon, he was trying to run the cops over with it, he is speeding being wreck-less through a College Campus. He had no concern for the safety of others. I see no excessive use of force here, and not a single fuck would be given for this idiot or his parents. I only feel bad for the cop that pulled the trigger, it isn't easy doing what he had to do and I hope this won't affect him in making tough decisions like this in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 At 16 you are a minor "kid", this is a fact. I will argue you are a kid at 21. Most are not adults until mid 20s. Gone is the notion that adulthood officially started at 18, when one typically graduated from high school - or even 21, the modern-day age limit for drinking alcohol. Now many experts simply consider those markers along the way. And it appears that Americans agree. A University of Chicago survey, released earlier this year, found that most think adulthood begins at age 26. And regardless this 16 year old did not have the mental capacity of the average 16 year old if they are mad at their parents for not providing cigarettes. He had to have some form of mental illness. Healthy Normal 16 YOs do not behave this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Yeah, a mentally ill child was killed, I have some compassion for an ill child, the police that killed him and the father, and I need meds. Last I checked 19 isn't a child, and you have remotely diagnosed him with your E-PHD as having mental health problems, without any mention of it on the news. He was a man, driving a stolen truck, who then tried to flee from police, which led through small town, through red lights while discarding debris along the way. When cornered, instead of surrendering, he decides to use the truck as a weapon and ram the cops. How else was this supposed to end? Were the cops supposed to teleport into the vehicle while it's ramming them, and give him a package of cigarettes and a hug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Edit: I was watching the video with the sound off the first time, I did not realize that shots were fired at around 4:00. The cops did what they had to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 In my opinion, I believe there are other measures that could have been taken first. I understand that the cops have no idea if he is armed or not, but I'm sure one of the cops could have tried a taser first (while the others still had their guns drawn just in case). Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the cops were completely wrong, they were just doing their job deescalating the situation. I just feel deadly force should only be used when all else fails. He had rammed the cops multiple times already and was ramming the cop car headed towards the cops while the cops had already exited their vehicles. They merely met force with force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 one of the cops could have tried a taser first Let's play a game. I'm going to get into a truck and try to run you over, you try to shoot me with a taser. Let me know how it works out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 He had rammed the cops multiple times already and was ramming the cop car headed towards the cops while the cops had already exited their vehicles. They merely met force with force. Let's play a game. I'm going to get into a truck and try to run you over, you try to shoot me with a taser. Let me know how it works out for you. I re-watched the video and edited my post. I originally thought he wasn't shot until the truck was stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 How about calling off the chase through populated areas. Most police departments have policies for this and use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 How about calling off the chase through populated areas. Most police departments have policies for this and use them. They tried too right before he started ramming cop cars, which I guess escalated it the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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