Geeto67 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I get the feeling that most people, even hard right leaning folks, don't approve of this at all. There is believing in small government and then there is invading and declaring war on the US government. Taking possession of government land and telling the government that it will be defended with force could be considered hostile invasion and occupation. That is so far away from mainstream right/left thinking you might as well consider it "south". The only thing saving these guys from an airstrike wiping them off the face of the earth right now is that they are US citizens. If they renounced their citizenship they become enemy combatants and then the national guard can come in a dispatch with extreme prejudice. The way I see it, this is how the Bundys' recruit for their "cause". They had a lot of success in attracting the mentally ill and poorly informed about US government from their last "standoff" and I expect this is how they grow their ranks. There is no way in hell any of their demands will be met. If the Government removes them by force or kills them they become martyrs, if they manage to hold the land they call it a victory and use it for publicity. they can't take the property via adverse possession so this whole thing boils down to them daring the US government to do something. The government will eventually do something, but either after we all stop looking or after sufficient time has passed there is very little public support. The government always works the long game - even when displacing the native Americans the federal government took over 100 years to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Article Not taking sides. Not endorsing this article. Just shows (supposedly) the long history of this fam and the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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greg1647545532 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Article Not taking sides. Not endorsing this article. Just shows (supposedly) the long history of this fam and the government. Right, I'd read all of that on another site (apparently copy/pasta'd, it's all over all of the conservative "news" blogs). If you click down at the bottom where it says "more citations here," which I did because I was wondering where all of this information came from that no mainstream news source was able to get, it takes you to (wait for it) Ammon Bundy's blog. Yup, like I said upthread, he's the only source of all of this info about the Hammonds being pressured into selling their land. Now, it may very well be true, but I've yet to find anything close to a reputable source for it. Appreciate the effort, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 These are fucking idiots, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Appreciate the effort, though. Like I said, wasn't endorsing it. I also said it (supposedly) gives the timeline. The article did exactly what I stated. It is their account of what all has happened. Nowhere did I claim it 100% factual but rather shared it showing "the other side". If you took it as factual, I appreciate your effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoMeSomeFun Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Below info due to the terrorism label, as these Oregon hillbillies could be viewed. Most people that violate the Patriot Act, or any other "sneak and peek" justification order designed to prevent terrorism is normally used in drug trafficking cases. In other words feds label you a terrorist to obtain a search warrant without your knowledge and if the search turns up other violations a typical search warrant is issued. Credibility of this site is up to your discretion (its more for the graph) but political science/human rights/other lib eral sh**t im required to take for my degree are repeatedly going over this issue. https://privacysos.org/blog/feds-overwhelmingly-use-sneak-and-peeks-in-drug-cases-not-to-fight-terrorism/ If you need a more credible source https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/29/surprise-controversial-patriot-act-power-now-overwhelmingly-used-in-drug-investigations/ In a way kind of supports the occupiers' in Oregon argument. However they are idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Local Native Tribe- "Get the hell out" http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/us/native-tribe-blasts-oregon-takeover/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 In a way kind of supports the occupiers' in Oregon argument. However they are idiots. The Atlantic ran a story that goes along with what you're saying. Basically, liberals rail against mandatory minimums when they're used to lock up teenage marijuana peddlers for ridiculous terms, and libertarians are generally against government overreaches like the patriot act and other "anti-terrorism" laws that are used for everything but. The Hammond cause is something that could get some real bi-partisan support. Dwight and Steve sound like dickbags, but I could totally understand and get behind a protest about the length of their prison sentence and the manner in which it was obtained. But then these "militiamen" had to go and make their actual protest about federal ownership of land altogether, and bring their guns along to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Local Native Tribe- "Get the hell out" http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/us/native-tribe-blasts-oregon-takeover/index.html I normally don't read CNN's tabloid bullshit but this is brilliant and awesome in every way. Ranchers likely response: "We took this land from you fair and square" without a hint of irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Angry Oregon Militia Leader Tells The Internet Trolls To Stop Mailing Them Dildos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbs3000 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 The Atlantic ran a story that goes along with what you're saying. Basically, liberals rail against mandatory minimums when they're used to lock up teenage marijuana peddlers for ridiculous terms, and libertarians are generally against government overreaches like the patriot act and other "anti-terrorism" laws that are used for everything but. The Hammond cause is something that could get some real bi-partisan support. Dwight and Steve sound like dickbags, but I could totally understand and get behind a protest about the length of their prison sentence and the manner in which it was obtained. But then these "militiamen" had to go and make their actual protest about federal ownership of land altogether, and bring their guns along to do it. I think that was my favorite part. They started off saying it was for the 2 guys going to jail but really it never had anything to do with them. They even publicly denounced the militia not 8 hours after it all started. Then the truth started coming out that it's really just about his dad and the feds and now here we are a few days later and no one gives a crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Angry Oregon Militia Leader Tells The Internet Trolls To Stop Mailing Them Dildos if this is true then this is funny as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 if this is true then this is funny as hell. People have been sending them didlos and glitterbombs nonstop apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Comedy gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 I need to look up the term "native." Pretty sure everyone migrated from elsewhere...including "native" americans who are believe to have come from Asia... Just looked up "native." Looks like I am a native american as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted January 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Angry Oregon Militia Leader Tells The Internet Trolls To Stop Mailing Them Dildos So now the rumor is that the militia should sell the dildo's on ebay to create some revenue for their cause.... lets let that sink in for a minute. An anti-gov't militia selling dildos on ebay to make money for their cause.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 So now the rumor is that the militia should sell the dildo's on ebay to create some revenue for their cause.... lets let that sink in for a minute. An anti-gov't militia selling dildos on ebay to make money for their cause.... GAT DAYUM SMUT PEDDLERS ARE RUININ ARE CUNTRY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 well it isn't like they could sell girl scout cookies....could they? Freedom Fudgies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Borgen Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 This whole thing is comedy gold. I read somewhere that after receiving dildos, glitter, nail polish, lube, and feminine products, the occupiers clarified that their request for supplies was a request for food. Whereupon some responsive supporter sent them penis shaped candies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I lean conservative, but I can't help but laugh when I think about all the absolute bullshit stuff these guys are getting mailed to them. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Borgen Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Whereupon some responsive supporter sent them penis shaped candies. So literally a bag of dicks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Told you they were sitting back and watching them, just waiting them out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 waiting to hear more about the shots fired during the arrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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