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[10phone2]

1st off most importantly sorry to hear about your dads passing. not going to comment besides that out of respect to him.

[Otis Nice]

Hope none of you have a side hustle that you don't pay tax on.

 

Sleep Joe is pushing for banks to report any account with a in/out flow of more than $600 annually, so the ole' IRS can make sure they get their cut.

 

Can we all take a break from vax/non-vax and fling shit at each other over this for a bit please?

 

But... my sense of smell has increased and you people stink please take showers everyday and wash every part of your body lol

 

My body, my choice.

 

*reply to greg's relation of seatbelts to vaccine.*

 

I like this. I like this a lot. Mainly because greg said:

 

 

Like all normal humans I get compassion fatigue. I can only give so much of a shit for people who play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Right? Aren't you the same way? Am I the weirdo for saying that? I don't think so, but tell me with a straight face that you don't agree with everything I just said.

 

I think the only difference here is that you think not getting the covid vaccine is different from driving without a seat belt. You don't object to what I said, you only disagree about the context.

 

Well.the covid vaccine is free, it's backed by science, and it's proven to save lives. Just like seat belts. So to me there's no difference. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Die from covid because you didn't want the free vaccine, you only get my baseline compassion. Wear your seat belt. Lock up your guns. Get vaccinated.

 

Peace.

 

So not wearing seatbelts is no different than not getting vaccinated but if you choose not to wear a seatbelt it's, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." If you choose not get Mr. Pokey it's, "you're a dolt snowflake."

 

Maybe they aren't all that similar and some folks just want to correlate the two. I dunno. I'm not arguing it. I'm just trying to sift through all the shit and find the golden corn kernel. I would think that "y'all" would take the opposite approach since not wearing a seatbelt puts you and you alone at risk while not getting vaccinated is being said to be wrong because it puts others at risk.

 

So...which is it? Perhaps I'm just not tracking.

 

You can't catch "fat" from me sneezing near you you fuck wad.

 

/thread. Nothing anyone else will say will make me lol harder than this one sentence. :lolguy:

 

...but I'm still open for others to retake the crown whether intentional or not. :gabe:

 

...if it was just them that it killed off. But it isn't...

 

Ope. This is what I meant regarding the case of Seatbelt v. Vaccination.

 

If you were in a casino playing blackjack, and the dealer leaned in and said "If you wear a blue tie you'll get blackjack 70% of the time (up from 4.8%)" and you look around and see it working for the other players in the casino, are you really going to tell me you would turn that down? Are you really going to say "no thanks" to what is essentially free money 70% of the time are you really going to say no to that? you'd have to be an idiot right? So why are you content to be an idiot about masks and vaccines in a similar situation?

 

You WOULD pick a BLUE tie. Also that casino will not be in business much longer.

 

Ohio has 53% vaccination but the majority of counties are in the 30-40% range with a few larger counties reporting in high 50-low 60% vaccination. That's just not enough. You look at a state like California where you have counties with near 70% vaccination rate and their spread is very low.

 

OHIO VS. THE WORLD!!! O-H!

 

in 2020, roughly 378,000 people died from covid.

 

How many of those were due to COVID and how many were just listed as COVID when they were already dying of something else and may or may not have contracted it? Genuinely curious. Seeking learning and understanding.

 

in 2020, roughly 378,000 people died from covid.

 

BAAAAAAH!

[greg1647545532]

CSo not wearing seatbelts is no different than not getting vaccinated but if you choose not to wear a seatbelt it's, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." If you choose not get Mr. Pokey it's, "you're a dolt snowflake."

 

Maybe they aren't all that similar and some folks just want to correlate the two. I dunno. I'm not arguing it. I'm just trying to sift through all the shit and find the golden corn kernel. I would think that "y'all" would take the opposite approach since not wearing a seatbelt puts you and you alone at risk while not getting vaccinated is being said to be wrong because it puts others at risk.

 

So...which is it? Perhaps I'm just not tracking.

 

I dunno. What do you think?

[greg1647545532]

1st off most importantly sorry to hear about your dads passing. not going to comment besides that out of respect to him.

 

A better way to respect Mallard's dad would be to stop parroting this lie that only overweight and unhealthy people are dying. Tell everyone you know who's anti-vax about this guy you know whose dad was totally healthy and died anyway. And then encourage them to get the vaccine even if they're also healthy, so they don't suffer the same fate.

[Otis Nice]

A better way to respect Mallard's dad would be to stop parroting this lie that only overweight and unhealthy people are dying.

 

lol. What a douchey reply to someone trying to pay respects to another members loved one.

[Otis Nice]

I dunno. What do you think?

 

If I knew I wouldn't have to ask but now that you've also admitted you don't know I believe I have reached a conclusion.

[greg1647545532]

If I knew I wouldn't have to ask but now that you've also admitted you don't know I believe I have reached a conclusion.

 

You don't know how you feel about comparing seatbelts to vaccines?

[Otis Nice]

You don't know how you feel about comparing seatbelts to vaccines?

 

No. Read it all again. I don't know how Y'ALL feel when you say it's the same then contradict yourself.

 

I'm prob just a dolt though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Me: "What do you mean in regard to this? Isn't it contradictory?"

 

Greg: "I dunno. What do you think?"

 

Well, that pretty much sums up this entire thread.

[greg1647545532]

No. Read it all again. I don't know how Y'ALL feel when you say it's the same then contradict yourself.

 

I'm prob just a dolt though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Me: "What do you mean in regard to this? Isn't it contradictory?"

 

Greg: "I dunno. What do you think?"

 

Well, that pretty much sums up this entire thread.

 

Oh, I see. I've read your post again and it's clear as mud.

 

Well this isn't the first time you've accused me of contradicting myself, and I've not understood how what I've said was contradictory. Last time I asked in good faith for you to explain it so I could respond properly and you did what you do where you just make a smug comment and go away.

 

So if you want to clarify what you mean, I will respond in good faith.

[Otis Nice]

Oh, I see. I've read your post again and it's clear as mud.

 

Well this isn't the first time you've accused me of contradicting myself, and I've not understood how what I've said was contradictory. Last time I asked in good faith for you to explain it so I could respond properly and you did what you do where you just make a smug comment and go away.

 

So if you want to clarify what you mean, I will respond in good faith.

 

I literally explained it in the questioning of it.

 

Sorry I offended you by asking a question. Next time I'll just call you names instead and nothing will come of it. Seems you prefer to communicate that way.

[greg1647545532]

lol. What a douchey reply to someone trying to pay respects to another members loved one.

 

Mallard's father passed in November; he's mentioned it in several threads that 10phone2 has participated in, sometimes even on the same page, but I guess he missed it. Call that a douchey response if you want, but personally I wish you would direct your insults towards 10phone2's continued efforts to push a lie that COVID only kills the overweight and unhealthy. He's been spouting that nonsense for over a year, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Don't you think that's a douchey thing to do?

[greg1647545532]

I literally explained it in the questioning of it.

 

Sorry I offended you by asking a question. Next time I'll just call you names instead and nothing will come of it. Seems you prefer to communicate that way.

 

You did not offend me. I'm still willing to engage with you in good faith if you can rephrase your question in a way that will help me understand what you're asking.

 

 

eta: Are you suggesting that there's a difference between "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" and calling the unvaxxed dolts? If so, that was not much intention. Not getting the vaccine is a stupid game, and dying from covid is winning a stupid prize. Not wearing a seatbelt makes someone a dolt. Anyone thinking that they're somehow unique enough to not need a seatbelt is a snowflake.

 

Does that help? My intent was to make those analogous.

[greg1647545532]

greg..you have a major hard on for my posts..I don't know if I should be afraid your a stalker

or you just like conversing with me.

 

There is a major difference in what we stated..I gave a what if..you basically said fuck you if you get covid

 

I do have a hard on for your posts, it's true. I think it's because you're so earnest most of the time. Like, looking back through this thread there's a lot of political pot-shots, but we all make lazy posts from time to time. Generally speaking, you post in good faith, and that encourages me to respond.

 

Yes, you said what if, but I don't think that changes the tone that much. Even you said it was crass. Can you imagine saying that to a grieving widow?

 

"What if this is just survival of the fittest."

 

"What if you just got the damn vaccine instead of hypothesizing that maybe there's nothing we can do in the face of nature's power."

[10phone2]

A better way to respect Mallard's dad would be to stop parroting this lie that only overweight and unhealthy people are dying. Tell everyone you know who's anti-vax about this guy you know whose dad was totally healthy and died anyway. And then encourage them to get the vaccine even if they're also healthy, so they don't suffer the same fate.

 

hory fucking christ your a tater. i have said multiple times again and again folks who get the vaccine are welcome too. 0 shit talking to them. even left mallards post alone to pay respect to his family. you just couldnt.

 

directly from the cdc interwebs:

"Hospitalized adults with preexisting health conditions were almost 3 times more likely to be diagnosed with VTE than hospitalized adults without any of these conditions. The preexisting conditions included AIDS, anemia, arthritis, congestive heart failure, clotting disorders, high blood pressure, cancers, disorders of the brain, spinal cord or nerves, obesity, paralysis, disorders affecting blood flow in the lungs, kidney failure, and weight loss."

 

just in case heres the link:

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/features/existing-condition-hospital.html

 

even this:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

 

guess how 3/4 of those issues happen. personal self choice. shit happens in life and were all dealt crap cards at one point or another. some more than others.

[Otis Nice]

Mallard's father passed in November; he's mentioned it in several threads that 10phone2 has participated in, sometimes even on the same page, but I guess he missed it. Call that a douchey response if you want, but personally I wish you would direct your insults towards 10phone2's continued efforts to push a lie that COVID only kills the overweight and unhealthy. He's been spouting that nonsense for over a year, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Don't you think that's a douchey thing to do?

 

Depends. Did he do it in response to someone announcing their loved one passed? Context is crucial.

 

You did not offend me. I'm still willing to engage with you in good faith if you can rephrase your question in a way that will help me understand what you're asking.

 

I don't know how to make the original question any clearer. You said, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," about things like seat belts, dog attacks, etc. You then berated anyone and everyone who "plays the stupid game" of not getting the vaccine.

 

You also said not getting vaccinated is the exact same as choosing to not wear a seatbelt. I queried as to how that could be true when you have been on a soapbox shouting about how everyone who chooses not to get vaccinated is a selfish snowflake whatever dolt because they put others at risk when not wearing a seatbelt really only puts the person choosing to do so at risk. It's just a piss poor comparison but you dared anyone to question it putting their morals on the line.

 

You said, "you don't object to what I said, you only disagree about the context." You also said, "Well.the covid vaccine is free, it's backed by science, and it's proven to save lives. Just like seat belts. So to me there's no difference. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Die from covid because you didn't want the free vaccine, you only get my baseline compassion."

 

Well, that's fine and dandy but wayment...you ALSO said you got vaccinated and told others too for the sake of others.

 

SO, how does someone not wearing a seatbelt which really only endangers them correlate to someone not getting vaxxed which, as you proclaim, endangers everyone? Are the "the exact same" or aren't they?

 

Damn, it's a good thing I'm away from home for work and STUPID bored tonight. The chuckles have kept me going.

[Green Bastard]

Thanks to everyone in here with the seatbelt comparisons, I have decided to start wearing my seatbelt in order to save the lives of others. Thank you for opening my eyes, I didn't realize it didn't effect just me.

[greg1647545532]

Depends. Did he do it in response to someone announcing their loved one passed? Context is crucial.

 

 

 

I don't know how to make the original question any clearer. You said, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," about things like seat belts, dog attacks, etc. You then berated anyone and everyone who "plays the stupid game" of not getting the vaccine.

 

You also said not getting vaccinated is the exact same as choosing to not wear a seatbelt. I queried as to how that could be true when you have been on a soapbox shouting about how everyone who chooses not to get vaccinated is a selfish snowflake whatever dolt because they put others at risk when not wearing a seatbelt really only puts the person choosing to do so at risk. It's just a piss poor comparison but you dared anyone to question it putting their morals on the line.

 

You said, "you don't object to what I said, you only disagree about the context." You also said, "Well.the covid vaccine is free, it's backed by science, and it's proven to save lives. Just like seat belts. So to me there's no difference. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Die from covid because you didn't want the free vaccine, you only get my baseline compassion."

 

Well, that's fine and dandy but wayment...you ALSO said you got vaccinated and told others too for the sake of others.

 

SO, how does someone not wearing a seatbelt which really only endangers them correlate to someone not getting vaxxed which, as you proclaim, endangers everyone? Are the "the exact same" or aren't they?

 

Damn, it's a good thing I'm away from home for work and STUPID bored tonight. The chuckles have kept me going.

 

 

Thank you for clarifying and responding.

 

Yes, fair point. Not getting vaccinated is way more of a dick move than not wearing your seatbelt for the reason you stated. It's also way less of a risky move for most people.

 

The comparison is not 100% perfect. Withdrawn, your honor.

[Green Bastard]

Also, I am also sorry to hear about your father, Mallard.

[Otis Nice]

Thanks to everyone in here with the seatbelt comparisons, I have decided to start wearing my seatbelt in order to save the lives of others. Thank you for opening my eyes, I didn't realize it didn't effect just me.

 

[zeitgeist57]

Thanks to everyone in here with the seatbelt comparisons, I have decided to start wearing my seatbelt in order to save the lives of others. Thank you for opening my eyes, I didn't realize it didn't effect just me.

 

*affect.

 

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/affect-vs-effect/

 

Carry on.

[Otis Nice]

*affect.

 

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/affect-vs-effect/

 

Carry on.

 

[Green Bastard]

*affect.

 

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/affect-vs-effect/

 

Carry on.

 

I wasn't sure which spelling was the proper one, but thank you.

[99FLHRCI]

The hospital has beds but not enough staff to operate all of them. (Many left to travel to areas with even higher covid cases offering $8k week)

 

Two major things to look at here.

 

1)Pay for the employees. I promise the investors and board aren't hurting for money. Maybe pay the people that keep you afloat and they will stay.

 

2)You have a shortage of staff. (at my aunt's hospital they are currently at 10% understaffing) So your solution is to fire people for not getting the vaccine. (currently 33% of the staff at her hospital are on the list for termination for refusal to vaccinate) So now you are even more understaffed.

 

In other words, there are beds, there is equipment, you just don't have staff because of employment choices and pay scales. Drug companies are showing billions of dollars of quarterly profits. The government has a $100B fund that they are using to pay 20% extra for all people labeled COVID that are on medicare. Add in all the money for testing paid by the government. Hospitals should have more money to pay staff (which is proven when they pay travel nurses). If they quit lining their pockets, hospitals wouldn't be so "full".

[99FLHRCI]

At this point if you are a healthcare worker and you aren't vaccinated I would consider that a form of malpractice and it's probably good those individuals aren't further exercising their poor judgement on treating patients.

 

On the flip side of the coin, the Hippocratic oath states "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

 

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug."

 

We have doctor's refusing care to anyone who won't get the vaccine. Do we do that for anti-vaxxers in general or just COVID? What about Hepatitis A/B? Flu? Any other communicable disease?

 

Does it stop there or now do doctors get to choose which lifestyle choices will prevent a patient from being treated? Overweight? Smoking? Sexuality?

[99FLHRCI]

As said many times before, just looking at survival also doesn't account for all the long term effects many survivors have (a larger group than the 2% that die).

 

And looking at just COVID deaths doesn't account for the effects of the Pandemic. There were 1.5M excess deaths so far. 900,000 attributed to COVID. 600,000 other excess deaths. Those include people not getting vaccines because it was termed "elective" (over 17 million children worldwide missed vaccinations during "social distancing") and elective procedures were being denied, suicide/mental health, alcoholism, etc. Not to mention economic effects because of having to shut down "Joe's Diner" meanwhile we can still go to Big Box stores or cram 100K screaming fans into a sporting event.