National Health Care Bill...A national health scare?

[alab32]

Wow... this is funny stuff.

[InyaAzz]

Now I'm hungry.

Baby....the OTHER white meat.

Unless you grab one of those black babies. Pretty tasty..but high in fat.

[dmagicglock]

so my wife was watching greys anatomy last night and they were talking about the 5 stages of grieving... and I was like how Ironic... that almost explains our legislative process regarding healthcare

Denial — WTF are you kidding me, they wouldn't have gubment run healthcare in the united states.... we're not commies or socialists

Anger — Not on my watch, lets have some tea parties, buy more ammo, its time for a revolution!

Bargaining — Okay well as long as it doesn't make my costs go up, I guess I could live with it

Depression — I can't believe the stars on the flag are going to change to yellow life sucks, what happened to America?

Acceptance — well what did I expect, we did elect Obama... we had to elect carter to find our Reagan... I guess I'll buy me a 2012 bumper sticker

[Disclaimer]

Because I haven't had my fill of political pot stirring lately... this should get the entertainment fired right up. This 'anti-intellectual' movement seems to be pretty big within the GOP ranks.

http://rawstory.com/2009/12/franken-slams-gop-senate-floor-youre-entitled-facts/

Franken slams GOP on Senate floor: ‘You’re not entitled to your own facts’

WASHINGTON -- In a few moments of heated but controlled anger on the Senate floor Monday evening, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) slammed Sen. John Thune (R-SD) and the GOP for essentially lying about the nature of the Democratic health care bill, suggesting they haven't read it."We are entitled to our own opinions; we're not entitled to our own facts," Franken said. "Benefits kick in right away."

Thune then took the floor and stressed that "tax increases start 18 days from now" while "spending benefits don't start till 2014."

Franken got angrier and reclaimed his time. "Spending benefits start right away," he stammered, also rebuffing Thune's claim that the bill in all pain and no gain in the short-run. It "will prohibit insurance from imposing lifetime limits on benefits starting day one."

"He doesn't want to hear it," Franken said in a heated voice, while pointing to Thune. "We are entitled to our own opinions; we're not entitled to our own facts."

"Lifetime benefits kick in on day one, and we shouldn't be standing up here with charts to say the exact opposite," Franken said. He also pointed out that "small business tax credits will kick in right away" and the bill closes the doughnut hole for Medicare Part D.

"Facts are stubborn things," he said, repeating: "We are not entitled to our own facts."

"I stand here day after day and hear my colleagues, my good friends from the other side, say things that are not based on fact," Franken declared. He also accused Republicans of not reading the bill.

During the exchange, Thune tried to interrupt and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) interjected, accusing Republicans of trying "monopolize our 30 minutes." Later, Brown said of the GOP: "Perhaps if you're going to vote against [the bill], you don't have to read it -- is that the way they think about it?"

"I will find that many of my colleagues, who I'm very friendly with, have not read the bill," he said. "And I think that if you're going to get on your feet and debate and make assertions, you should really be familiar with the content of the bill. I've only been here a while, so maybe I'm naive."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2P0QsTe8c&feature=player_embedded Edited December 16, 2009 by JRMMiii

[Uncle Punk]

This crazy fucker gives me hope.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/34455431#34455431

[Uncle Punk]

^^ They didn't like it so much when the bill was actually being read. I would have thought that was a good thing according to Mr Franken and Mr. Brown.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6d4a4774-eaad-11de-a9f5-00144feab49a.html

[serpentracer]

I have to admit ol obama "had" a pretty decent idea...the senate went a fucked it all over to hell and back...obama is doing a poor job and needs to get more pro active in the writing of this bill. it's pissing off a lot of voters that voted for him.

his whole presidency depends on what this bill does...or doesn't. which as soon as it turned into a insurance coverage and with the mandates of everyone MUST have some insurance....I started hoping it would just die.

it's nothing of what obama had planned and I think if he doesn't just veto it it will put a end to this approval ratings once and for all. he'll go down as the 2nd worst pres in us history next to george bush jr.

Edited December 18, 2009 by serpentracer

[serpentracer]

This crazy fucker gives me hope.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/34455431#34455431

I watched that last night. and I agree with him. I hope obama takes the hints..

it's exactly what me and my friends have said would happen before obama was elected. even if it passed the way obama had envisioned it to be...after he got out of office it would turn into the biggest nightmare the usa has ever seen thanks to conservatives trying to make it. to be where people demanded and protested it so much they would ultimately get what they always wanted...to kill the bill completely.

the best and only thing I can see obama could do at this point is to veto the bill. move on and fix the economy. because it doesn't really seem to be being fixed at the moment.

Edited December 18, 2009 by serpentracer

[fusion]

It doesn't matter, the Republican party has become the party of opposition since they lost the office. No matter what Obama or the democrats do large portions of the party will oppose it just to oppose it whether or not they have any real justification to do so.

[Uncle Punk]

Of course they have justification to oppose this legislation that is why they were elected as Republicans. I'm sure 90% of Republicans oppose this intrusion of the government into 25% of the economy; they are doing their jobs by opposing it.

[Steve Butters]

fuck obama, he is ruining this country

[serpentracer]

I disagree. Most of the proposals by the current administration and House majority are in direct conflict with true conservative values. This health insurance bill is a good example. Forcing people to have it or face paying a tax is completely the opposite of liberty. While I think the Republicans have been screwing the pooch for the past 8 years I'm glad to see them' date=' finally, standing up to nonsense legislation. I don't really care WHY they are doing it, so long as they are doing it. I just wish they had done it during the Bush administration years. Well, except for the last two, when I voted for Democrats to stop him. We see how well that plan worked out.[/quote']

dude, the conservatives I believe put that in there. seriously.

[Disclaimer]

Yep.. I don't care WHY they are opposing it so long as they are opposing it.

That's a pretty scary statement if you really think about it.

[smashweights]

Granted' date=' 49% of the country voted for the other guy, but he didn't vote himself into office.[/quote']

i think you should clarify that 49% of the voting public voted him in. In reality, it's probably more like 24% of the total population, which is kinda sad.

[Disclaimer]

It was 56.8% of eligible voters that turned out to vote... so 49% of 56.8% would actually be around 28% of the total population.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html

Jussayin'...

More importantly, it sounds like that means that the other 44.2% of people that didn't bother to vote should STFU and STFD

[dmagicglock]

here's a guy who's got it all figured out... if you got an hour of time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg

[fusion]

I disagree. Most of the proposals by the current administration and House majority are in direct conflict with true conservative values. This health insurance bill is a good example. Forcing people to have it or face paying a tax is completely the opposite of liberty. While I think the Republicans have been screwing the pooch for the past 8 years I'm glad to see them' date=' finally, standing up to nonsense legislation. I don't really care WHY they are doing it, so long as they are doing it. I just wish they had done it during the Bush administration years. Well, except for the last two, when I voted for Democrats to stop him. We see how well that plan worked out.[/quote']

I do agree some of the things they are railing against may be (in part or whole) against conservative values, but for the most part I don't see real effort (sometimes on both sides) to compromise. It's all or nothing by these parties and we aren't a black and white country. We are in big part an area of grey in which neither party gets their way. They need to put on their big boy pants and learn to work together.

[Disclaimer]

I do agree some of the things they are railing against may be (in part or whole) against conservative values, but for the most part I don't see real effort (sometimes on both sides) to compromise. It's all or nothing by these parties and we aren't a black and white country. We are in big part an area of grey in which neither party gets their way. They need to put on their big boy pants and learn to work together.

As of late, I'm not a big fan of 'compromise'

If one person says 2+2=4, and another says we should make 2+2=5... I'm not willing to compromise on that. That's more analogous to what it's been like lately. There's information, facts, and policy making based on them...and there's obstructionism to protect special interests.

Compromise doesn't have to mean 50/50... Compromise could be 90/10... but like I said - Presently, there's always someone or some group opposed to policy based on information, observation, facts and ethics in favor of a 'compromise' to protect a small wealthy subsection of the entire nation.

[dmagicglock]

here's a good take from the WSJ that points out some microcosms of universal healthcare that I think are being overlooked.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562948992235831.html

[Uncle Punk]

I'm not a big fan of 'compromise'

I agree, the less regulations and laws these idiots can pass the less harm they can cause us. Compromise is a bad thing when government is part of the equation.

The constitutional angle will be used if this stupid health care bill passes and with the current makeup of the court it will be defeated. This is why elections are important the judicial branch is just as political as the elected branches. This is why most cases are decided by split votes, laws and the interpretation of them are not absolutes. If Obama gets re-elected the make up of the court will most likely change. If this passes no one will have cause to challenge it because most of the harm won’t take effect until a few years from now. If the Republicans can’t outright defeat this bill they should make sure it is fully enacted now so that cause will take place so it can be challenged under the current court.

[jhaag]

here's a guy who's got it all figured out... if you got an hour of time

now, now, nobody wants to listen to someone who makes sense! lets just let the govt take care of it, the bigger the better!!

[jhaag]

Agreed.. good points' date=' UP. If/when this passes I'm curious to see how many cases are sent to the Supreme Court for violation of the constitution. (besides just a giant shit ton)[/quote']

true, but what a colossal waste of taxpayers money just to prove a point.

[Lost]

That bill is all over the place. Clearly not the answer

But something needs to be done about health care. The cost is out of control.

[Kahooli]

My copay is $15.

Wut wut.

And I didn't need a referral to go straight to the dermatologist.

I just called his office, told the nurse the issue and they scheduled me an appointment. 3 prescriptions and $2.62 later... All cleared up.

[Kahooli]

Private healthcare is awesome if you have a government job ^.^ (currently).

Gov't jobs have the best healthcare I've seen, period.