kawi kid Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 until you are ready to shoot dont touch the trigger. best safety of all!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 until you are ready to shoot dont touch the trigger. Best safety of all!!!24/7 one in the hole. As many have said, why carry a paper weight in your holster? Its there to protect not scare. There to illiminate the threat not intimidate the threat. There to point and shoot not rack and shoot. Always always always carry ready to go.qft!!Likwid you will get more comfortable with it as time goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 mine is ready to rock and roll all the time. i dont have kids in or at my house ever so the only time mine is unloaded is when im cleaning it. and at that point there is no ammo even near. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Mike, if your instructor suggested that about SA revolvers, I have no beef. However, if that was to refer to a 1911 pistol, CZ75 or HK that can all be carried cocked and locked, then the guy is a tool and you need to not be listening to him.Yes he was referring to revolvers. Spoke with IP and clarified that also. He also preferred the cocked and safety on for 1911 style weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_c_F Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 My Taurus has a frame safety so I'd carry cocked-and-locked.That being said, I would think twice about chambered if I was relying on a grip-safety only. even if 9999 times out of 10000 it stops the shot, that 1 in 10,000 might ace you out by accident, or someone else. Not worth it in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 It is my personal belief that carrying unchambered will inadvertently develop poor firearm habits. In the back of your mind you ''know'' the gun is not chambered. You'll eventually become lax in your approach to that firearm. That is a no-no and will lead to someone becoming hurt or possibly killed.+1, that's very good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unc7237 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Chambered 24/7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 i always carry my deadly deadly ninja stars on me.you can see some of my work here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alab32 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 If you're concerned about the reliability of the safeties installed in a firearm you ought not be carrying that firearm. Period. Carrying without a round chambered because you're afraid of a resulting negligent discharge is unwarranted. Either carry the gun and handle it in a manner that is appropriate or buy a different gun.. one with 4' date='000 safeties so you can sleep at night. My current piece has zero external safeties at all. No thumb safety. No grip safety. No trigger safety. I carry it chambered. I carry it in a holster. I keep my fingers out of the trigger guard. I don't accidentally shoot people. It is my personal belief that carrying unchambered will inadvertently develop poor firearm habits. In the back of your mind you ''know'' the gun is not chambered. You'll eventually become lax in your approach to that firearm. That is a no-no and will lead to someone becoming hurt or possibly killed.[/quote']Very true! You have to be comfortable with your weapon or you shouldnt be carrying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420gsxr1000 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 yep.. and +1 to GSP as well. Seriously, if your not comfortable carrying in a holster with one chambered then no offense but you should not be carrying at all. PERIOD!!!. You keep questioning the safety's built into the firearm but let me say this YOU ARE NOT A FIREARM ENGINEER BUT THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THEM ARE.... you dont question the gas pedal and brake in your car do you. Facts are facts, if your not comfortable carrying locked/loaded, then dont do it at all because you are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. I understand the mindset but it shows that you dont have enough training and comfort around the firearm to comfortably carry in which case you shouldnt carry at all. Those are purely facts and any CCW instructor, LEO, Mil, will tell you the same. i dont think i agree with all that one....there are reports of AD's by LEOS all the time......i chamber depending on location (like taco bell on high)....the the chances increase with hammerless guns with no saftey. I want to get a sig or HK (hammered) just because hammerless spook me just a bit (but I still use em cause the are easy not to catch on a draw. But also as said you NEVER touch the trigger unless firing!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aracnid007 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 My Taurus 24/7 pistol is a hammerless design. I carry it chambered and trust it. When you chamber the first round, the firing pin is in a relaxed position, not pulled back against the spring. The first trigger pull is DA and pulls the firing pin back, gun goes boom, cycles the next round, and locks the firing pin back for SA action for following rounds. It also has a manual thumb safety and internal firing pin block. So carrying it with one (the first one) chambered should be extremely safe, and I like the SA for follow up shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aracnid007 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 from Wikipedia:Trigger actionsWhile the earlier standard versions of the 24/7 pistol came equipped with double action only triggers, the later Pro models and some of the OSS pistols sport double action/single action triggers, allowing for a safer and harder long double action initial trigger pull, with the action for all subsequent shots being cocked by the first, resulting in a lighter and more concise single action trigger pull. This system allows for two major advantages, one being that the pistol can be safely carried with the safety off for faster first shot capability, and the second being that if a round misfires, the trigger can be quickly pulled again in double action mode, repeating the attempt to fire the recalcitrant round. This type of DA/SA system, pioneered on such firearms as the Walther P38 and PP/PPK, is much faster and simpler than the standard tap, rack, bang method of clearing a dud cartridge.[5] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aracnid007 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 As much as I like it, it will probably have to go to finance a better carry piece. I've got two full size .45's and want something a little smaller in size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walther_gsp Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 i dont think i agree with all that one....there are reports of AD's by LEOS all the time......i chamber depending on location (like taco bell on high)....the the chances increase with hammerless guns with no saftey. I want to get a sig or HK (hammered) just because hammerless spook me just a bit (but I still use em cause the are easy not to catch on a draw. But also as said you NEVER touch the trigger unless firing!!!!Two things1) Never set the standard by LEOs. Even my cop buddies will agree to that. 2) You are referring to NEGLIGENT discharges. What I said earlier in the thread still stands, keep the weapon holstered with the trigger guard covered and when not holstered, keep your finger off the freakin trigger. I guarantee that of all those reports of ND's by LEO's that you mention, 98% are covered by breaking the finger off the trigger rule.If you can't follow that one simple safety rule, then yes, there is a pretty good likilhood of having an ND. However, carrying unchambered is not the fix, following the rule is. If you can't follow the rule, don't carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTMRIDER Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 It's kinda funny that I am a bit nervous(just a little) carrying my PT92 with one chambered(hammer down) and a pretty hard DA pull. I rarely carry my large frame 9mm, But don't think twice about carrying my S&W .38 concealed hammer)in my pocket or IWB all day everyday while working construction and climbing around. Strange I feel safer carrying a gun without a safety(other than my finger).FYI I use a Bianchi Proffesional IWB holster at 4:00 when wearing jeans and in my front pocket of my looser fitting Cintas work pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everoblivion2005 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Cambered is how i was trained so thats what i'm used to. USAF is the only branch that carries their sidearm chambered and on fire. unless its changed of course. In the house my 9 is always chambered (don't have kids). if i get a rifle or shot gun tho it will be unloaded with a loaded clip or loader nearby (again if there's no kids). Edited August 20, 2009 by everoblivion2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Cambered is how i was trained so thats what i'm used to. USAF is the only branch that carries their sidearm chambered and on fire. unless its changed of course.I'll ask my buddy, he's active duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'll ask my buddy, he's active duty.Was going to edit but you can't on the mobile theme very well.He confirmed USAF sidearms are chambered when loaded, only the rifles are unchambered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420gsxr1000 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 ...its in the mechanics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Was going to edit but you can't on the mobile theme very well.He confirmed USAF sidearms are chambered when loaded, only the rifles are unchambered.USMC Security Forces here. We were Condition 1 on everythiing 380 days a year. Condition Zero (Safety OFF) on routes/patrol/asset movement/transpo.I was in a school where if you muzzle fucked someone even on a dry run you got DQ'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake1221 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 I carry with one in the pipe at all times no safety on my PF-9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Chambered 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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