cclay Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 ...tire was bald...pulled it off...bought new tire...put tire back on...axel is pulled back as far as it can go...tension bolts tight...chain is correctly attached to both sprockets(front/rear)chain slack is about 3 inches!!!!WTF did i do wrong?it was fine before but now it is way too loose. could the front sprocket have adjusted somehow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 did the chain come off you front sprocket some how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 did the chain come off you front sprocket some how?What Kawi said. It does sound like the chain is off the front sprocket. Don't start the engine yet. It ain't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 ...tire was bald...pulled it off...bought new tire...put tire back on...axel is pulled back as far as it can go...tension bolts tight...chain is correctly attached to both sprockets(front/rear)chain slack is about 3 inches!!!!WTF did i do wrong?it was fine before but now it is way too loose. could the front sprocket have adjusted somehow?You checking while in neutral? Have you adjusted suspension recently?Was it loose before you changed tire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 What Kawi said. It does sound like the chain is off the front sprocket. Don't start the engine yet. It ain't right.he is offline now prob out there trying to start it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisted12 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 ^^^^ sounds like what happend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 he is offline now prob out there trying to start it........lol, we are talking about secondary chain right? Should be fine unless he tries riding it or moving lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I was gonna say turn the rear wheel GENTLY. oops... I'd just get it over with and take the front sprocket cover off and look. It's not like I haven't knocked the chain off the front sprocket before.Oddly, one of my bikes would tighten the chain more, when I tightened the axle. That made it fun to guess how much slack to leave before torquing the axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) The only other guess, is that his rear sprocket was larger, and the rear rim got swapped by accident with another identical rim that had a stock sprocket. Odds of that?...edit: and somewhere some other guy is wondering why his chain is way shorter... Edited August 17, 2009 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Oddly, one of my bikes would tighten the chain more, when I tightened the axle. That made it fun to guess how much slack to leave before torquing the axle.my bike does that pisses me off everytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 lol, we are talking about secondary chain right? Should be fine unless he tries riding it or moving lolif he puts it in gear and tries to move it i would say it might tear some shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclay Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 went to get new nut for tension bolt...didnt adjust the suspension but i did use a car jack to lift it and put jack stands on the swing are to hold up. could lifting it by the suspension piece adjust the suspension? chain is definitely on the front sprocket, checked 3 times. it was fine before i changed the tire, rode it everyday to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 didnt adjust the suspension but i did use a car jack to lift it and put jack stands on the swing are to hold up. could lifting it by the suspension piece adjust the suspension?I'll let an experienced mechanic answer the questions, but wheel chocks use the rear swing arm, so I wouldn't think that's an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinsn3485 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Are you sure there wasn't a lot of slack in it before you changed the tire and you just hadn't noticed beforehand, but after the new tire and attempting to adjust the chain you have found this issue?If the chain is on both sprockets, the chain didn't magically stretch while the back tire was off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclay Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 chain had popped before on me but after i tightened it the slack wasnt anywhere near as much as it is now. could be possible as i didnt check the slack just tightened it, i def woulda noticed a 3 to 4 in slack tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 chain had popped before on me but after i tightened it the slack wasnt anywhere near as much as it is now. could be possible as i didnt check the slack just tightened it, i def woulda noticed a 3 to 4 in slack tho.Tru dat, your girl/mother/significant other surely noticed the additional 4 inches... za-zing.Sorry, late night, anyway, hope you get this figured out, maybe post a picture or 2, maybe you're missing something easy someone can spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost1888 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Just curious how many mile do you think are on the chain? Wouldn't 3-4" of slack just slip right off the rear sprocket by hand? I was sitting outside looking at my bike thinking about it and that's an insane amount of slack. Could it be possible you had to many links off the bat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Your chain must sag lower than Kawi kids ballsack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclay Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 lol... tiz enough slack to slip off the sprocket. I dont kno how it got like that. i imagine the chain has stretched a bit and its got many miles on it. but it was cool 3 days ago... im pretty fed up with it, takin pics tomorrow and posting. need some seasoned eyes to look at itprobably end up taking links off but def need someone to look at it and become as dumbstruck as i have. speaking of girlfriend, duty calls... preciate the opinions fellas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost1888 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Talk to IP or another sponsor on here and get some prices on a chain and sprocket kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattKatz Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 my bike does that pisses me off everytime Kaws and Suzuki seem to be bad for doing this.....Tightening up as you torque down the axle nut.chain had popped before on me but after i tightened it the slack wasnt anywhere near as much as it is now. could be possible as i didnt check the slack just tightened it, i def woulda noticed a 3 to 4 in slack tho.Dude....Its a chain....If its on both sprockets...and you've adjusted it as far as it will go....Its time for a new chain....or a smaller one.I would have to say you just didn't notice it was like this.Its been said already....It didnt magically get longer during your tire swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 lol... tiz enough slack to slip off the sprocket. I dont kno how it got like that. i imagine the chain has stretched a bit and its got many miles on it. but it was cool 3 days ago... im pretty fed up with it, takin pics tomorrow and posting. need some seasoned eyes to look at itprobably end up taking links off but def need someone to look at it and become as dumbstruck as i have. If the chain has stretched enough that you could take out links and have it fit again, DO NOT do so! Once a chain has stretched very much, it will stretch much more VERY quickly, and unpredictably. It would be dangerous to run it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatik3 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I was gonna say turn the rear wheel GENTLY. oops... I'd just get it over with and take the front sprocket cover off and look. It's not like I haven't knocked the chain off the front sprocket before.Oddly, one of my bikes would tighten the chain more, when I tightened the axle. That made it fun to guess how much slack to leave before torquing the axle.Ditto on mine, the guessing game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Yes' date=' I said "wear" and not "stretch".. another argument for another day, perhaps. Get a new chain and sprocket kit. Is this for the Kat or the Suzi?[/quote']We'll use stretch, since it ends up being longer, and is easier for people to understand! I'm pretty sure what you mean by wear vs. stretch even though I never really thought of it that way, but it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Does that engine use rubber engine mounts? IF they were shot, the engine might have moved when lifted. That might have changed the sprocket to sprocket distance. A swingarm isn't able to change much for position, in any way that would effect the chain. If it did, the swingarm would be in deep trouble. You'd probably notice that. Although it is true, that as the swingarm pivots up and down, there will be more slack in the chain. But nothing like the amount that you are seeing. Other than an engine moving, only the frame itself could have made a dimensional change. (Assuming the swingarm isn't mounted directly on the engine.) None of these ideas have much merit, it is more likely a simple answer somewhere. If the chain is on both sprockets, I'd look very closely at the chain adjustment parts around the rear axle. The only simple answer is that the rear axle is in the wrong position. I have trouble believing that the chain was worn out enough, to not have been noticed before the tire change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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