WANT TO GET RICH? Join the Taliban

[attackpainter]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/28/afghanistan.taliban.pay/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn Wow what a fucking retard we have in office

[chevysoldier]

SERIOUSLY? I AM GOING TO PAY THE TALIBAN TO SWITCH SIDES? FUCKING STUPID DUMB FUCK COCK BRAINED MOTHER FUCKER.

+1 for you description of Osama. err Obama

[chevysoldier]

Uh.. what's the difference between paying them to fight the Soviets and paying them to fight for us?

None. Don't think thats right either. Money is not a loyalty. meaning if I pay you 10 bucks, the next guys says heres 20, wheres it stop?

[jbot]

i'd rather have them spend the money on machine gun parts.

[chevysoldier]

i'd rather have them spend the money on machine gun parts.

See, now THAT makes sense. Rep to you sir.

[jbot]

I'm sure you would.

See' date=' now THAT makes sense. Rep to you sir.[/quote']

heh heh

[KentStateTsi]

FOB Mayors, usually a Company Commander, get an allowance of $10,000 plus a week to give to the local nationals. The money is supposed to be used to build houses, schools, and generally better the area. What actually happens is; the money is given to a high ranking local, he puts some in his bank, buys rockets and bullets with some more, and pays off the Taliban to stay away for a little while. The locals we train to fight with us will turn in an instant just to get our shitty M16's and whatever supplies we have with us. Afghanistan is a shitstorm. I will post pics of this place soon.

[chevysoldier]

It doesn't stop. I was just asking what you thought the difference was. I don't think we should pay them. I think we should either kill them or pull out and let them kill each other.

Yeah, no difference. Still wrong. But with this ^we are on the same page. Although I like the idea of using some nukes to create Lake Iraq, Lake Afghanistan....

[smashweights]

Uh.. what's the difference between paying them to fight the Soviets and paying them to fight for us?

That's easy. Paying them to fight the Soviets provided funding to train people for the 9/11 attacks. Paying them to fight the Taliban can't cause it already happened. Get a fuckin grip.

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So, wait... this is a big deal NOW, when the article said it's nothing new... and had been doing the same thing in Iraq when Bush was in office?

It's all Obama's fault, now. Got it.

It's all Obama's fault that the bill gives the commanders the discretion to authorize the use of these funds for this type of policy.

"It's one of the most cost-effective ways to get people to lay down their arms, either to negotiate a peace or coerce them."

So, Obama's a "fucking retard" because he's spending your tax money on this program rather than bullets and soldiers.. when this is one of the most cost effective (and I'm guessing safer) alternatives. Right. Got it.

[chevysoldier]

So, wait... this is a big deal NOW, when the article said it's nothing new... and had been doing the same thing in Iraq when Bush was in office?

It's all Obama's fault, now. Got it.

It's all Obama's fault that the bill gives the commanders the discretion to authorize the use of these funds for this type of policy.

So, Obama's a "fucking retard" because he's spending your tax money on this program rather than bullets and soldiers.. when this is one of the most cost effective (and I'm guessing safer) alternatives. Right. Got it.

Because when Clinton met with Sadam and Bin Laden, they talked peacfully and everything was resolved.

[jbot]

nah, i still think he should buy moarr machine gun parts so i can buy a new car finally.

[attackpainter]

Jrmiiii TAKE OBAMAS COCK AND BALLS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! BUSH IS GONE GET THE FUCK OVER IT

[jbot]

Jrmiiii TAKE OBAMAS COCK AND BALLS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! BUSH IS GONE GET THE FUCK OVER IT

....wow lol

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Because when Clinton met with Sadam and Bin Laden, they talked peacfully and everything was resolved.

Clinton met those guys? Please cite sources.

Capturing Osama bin Laden has been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton.[101] Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized.[102] On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.[103] In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état;[103] in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one bin Laden was in.[102]

In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".[77]

[chevysoldier]

Jrmiiii TAKE OBAMAS COCK AND BALLS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! BUSH IS GONE GET THE FUCK OVER IT

Say what you really feel.

[chevysoldier]

Clinton met those guys? Please cite sources.

Just wanted to make you do some research

But really. You can bring up Bush, So I can bring up how Clinton let him get away.

"President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening."

Want to move to Bush Sr.?

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Jrmiiii TAKE OBAMAS COCK AND BALLS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! BUSH IS GONE GET THE FUCK OVER IT

WHARRGARBL!!!!

[stargazer]

Please. Continue. Interesting I always love it when the liberals become intolerant.

[attackpainter]

Ahhhh i dont have anything bad to say about Jrmiii I just get tired of hearing him playing Obamas rusty trombone. Not everything can be linked to Bush that was all i was getting at.

[stargazer]

Yes Sir, you are right. You wouldn't expect first blood to be drawn by a liberal would you. Exactly the same reason 62% of the American populace thinks the military strategy in Afghanistan should be left to the Generals and not the current President

[attackpainter]

Hang on am i being called a liberal ?

[chevysoldier]

US missed three chances to seize Bin Laden

The Sunday Times of London 01/06/2002

PRESIDENT Bill Clinton turned down at least three offers involving foreign governments to help to seize Osama Bin Laden after he was identified as a terrorist who was threatening America, according to sources in Washington and the Middle East.

Clinton himself, according to one Washington source, has described the refusal to accept the first of the offers as "the biggest mistake" of his presidency.

The main reasons were legal: there was no evidence that could be brought against Bin Laden in an American court. But former senior intelligence sources accuse the administration of a lack of commitment to the fight against terrorism.

When Sudanese officials claimed late last year that Washington had spurned Bin Laden's secret extradition from Khartoum in 1996, former White House officials said they had no recollection of the offer. Senior sources in the former administration now confirm that it was true.

An Insight investigation has revealed that far from being an isolated incident this was the first in a series of missed opportunities right up to Clinton's last year in office. One of these involved a Gulf state; another would have relied on the assistance of Saudi Arabia.

In early 1996 America was putting strong pressure on Sudan's Islamic government to expel Bin Laden, who had been living there since 1991. Sources now reveal that Khartoum sent a former intelligence officer with Central Intelligence Agency connections to Washington with an offer to hand over Bin Laden — just as it had put another terrorist, Carlos the Jackal, into French hands in 1994.

At the time the State Department was describing Bin Laden as "the greatest single financier of terrorist projects in the world" and was accusing Sudan of harbouring terrorists. The extradition offer was turned down, however. A former senior White House source said: "There simply was not the evidence to prosecute Osama Bin Laden. He could not be indicted, so it would serve no purpose for him to have been brought into US custody."

A former figure in American counterterrorist intelligence claims, however, that there was "clear and convincing" proof of Bin Laden's conspiracy against America. In May, 1996, American diplomats were informed in a Sudanese government fax that Bin Laden was about to be expelled — giving Washington another chance to seize him. The decision not to do so went to the very top of the White House, according to former administration sources.

They say that the clear focus of American policy was to discourage the state sponsorship of terrorism. So persuading Khartoum to expel Bin Laden was in itself counted as a clear victory. The administration was "delighted".

Bin Laden took off from Khartoum on May 18 in a chartered C-130 plane with 150 of his followers, including his wives. He was bound for Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. On the way the plane refuelled in the Gulf state of Qatar, which has friendly relations with Washington, but he was allowed to proceed unhindered.

Barely a month later, on June 25, a 5,000lb truck bomb ripped apart the front of Khobar Towers, a US military housing complex in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. The explosion killed 19 American servicemen. Bin Laden was immediately suspected.

Clinton is reported to have admitted how things went wrong in Sudan at a private dinner at a Manhattan restaurant shortly after September 11 last year. According to a witness, Clinton told a dinner companion that the decision to let Bin Laden go was probably "the biggest mistake of my presidency".

Clinton could not be reached for comment yesterday, but a former senior White House official acknowledged that the Sudan episode had been a "screw-up".

A second offer to get Bin Laden came unofficially from Mansoor Ijaz, a Pakistani-American millionaire who was a donor to Clinton's election campaign in 1996. On July 6, 2000, he visited John Podesta, then the president's chief of staff, to say that intelligence officers from a Gulf state were offering to help to extract Bin Laden.

Details of the meeting are confirmed in an exchange of e-mails between the White House and Ijaz, which have been seen by The Sunday Times. According to Ijaz, the offer involved setting up an Islamic relief fund to aid Afghanistan in return for the Taliban handing over Bin Laden to the Gulf state. America could then extract Bin Laden from there.

The Sunday Times has established that after a fierce internal row about the sincerity of the offer, the White House responded by sending Richard Clarke, Clinton's most senior counterterrorism adviser, to meet the rulers of the United Arab Emirates. They denied there was any such offer. Ijaz, however, maintained that the White House had thereby destroyed the deal, which was to have been arranged only through unofficial channels. Ijaz said that weeks later on a return trip to the Gulf he was taken on a late-night ride into the desert by his contact who told him that Clarke's front-door approach had upset a delicate internal balance and blown the deal. "Your government has missed a major opportunity," he recalls being told.

Senior former government sources said that Ijaz's offer had been treated in good faith but, with the denial of the UAE government, there was nothing to suggest it had credibility.

A third more mysterious offer to help came from the intelligence services of Saudi Arabia, then led by Prince Turki al-Faisal, according to Washington sources. Details of the offer are still unclear although, by one account, Turki offered to help to place a tracking device in the luggage of Bin Laden's mother, who was seeking to make a trip to Afghanistan to see her son. The CIA did not take up the offer.

Richard Shelby, the leading Republican on the Senate intelligence committee, said he was aware of a Saudi offer to help although, under rules protecting classified information, he was unable to discuss the details of any offer. Commenting generally, he said: "I don't believe that the fight against terrorism was the number one goal of the Clinton administration."

[stargazer]

Huh, negative unless you voted for Obama....

[attackpainter]

Thats a big negative sir