Tpoppa Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) In manufacturing, unions have far outlived their usefulness. We now live in a global economy. The jobs that manufacturing unions once protected, they now chase outside US borders. The UAW is by far the worst, but examples can be found everywhere in manufacturing. I have less of an issue with trade unions...plumbers, electricians, etc. The still have a place, but I personally don't use union labor when it comes to my house or my business.Isn't a union just an outgrowth of Communism anyway? Redistribution of wealth...everyone gets the same wage...reduced competition among workers...all that stuff? Edited January 19, 2011 by Tpoppa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Isn't a union just an outgrowth of Communism anyway? Redistribution of wealth...everyone gets the same wage...reduced competition among workers...all that stuff?Get them socialist unions OUT OF AMERICUH and take Obama with you! Ohh, you gon' an' done it now boy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Get them socialist unions OUT OF AMERICUH and take Obama with you! Ohh, you gon' an' done it now boy...Don't forget the Red Menace! That's just what they want you to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I think your bad stigma is on the teamsters, UAW, and factory workers. It seems your construction unions have been pretty decent. I have some friends that worked as laborers on the Rockies Express Pipeline that came through this area. One was in charge of the lay down yard, so his duties were to load/unload trucks, move equipment with a forklift or Lull. But if he had to move a truck for anything he had to radio out and get a teamster to come and move the truck because they were so hellbent on trying to keep as many guys as they could out there.The amount of training it takes to become a union construction worker earns them their pay, but the way manufacturing has become so automated most factory works do not have a skill set that is worth their pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 ^^^^^ That. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Anyone else curious as to what profession "that dude" has?BTW I am a union person, and I try to be respectful to everyone I deal with in my industry union or not. If I can help promote us, then maybe we can get some more skilled workers or newbies into this industry, then the better off we are. But if we keep catering to the lazy, or gloat about how little we get done then my friends unions are digging their own grave.Hydrant...I really hate to say it,but if you're in union construction and you try to be respectful to everyone,your in the small minority.I've been an union electrician for over twenty years and in my experience respect is in short supply in union trades.You have the right attitude,good luck with your career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 that was the last truck we did that day, we slowed down to snail speed - fuck them....On the railroad, we call that the "5 minute rule"... 5 minutes after every move we make to make sure we're following all "safety protocol" Actually... the railroad is one of the last places I think unions truly are needed. The carrier is CONSTANTLY weed weaseling trying to discipline the workers. I remember hearing that Union Pacific has a set percentage of employees that they constantly try to have "on the street". There's a reason the term "I got railroaded" is part of the american vernacular, & that it's the only job I know of where you can actually buy "job insurance" to replace your wages for those times you're suspendedThey have a saying "There are 2 kinds of railroaders... Those who've been suspended, & those who are waiting" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrant Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 The amount of training it takes to become a union construction worker earns them their pay, but the way manufacturing has become so automated most factory works do not have a skill set that is worth their pay.For myself, I had to go through a 5 year apprenticeship program that met after work from 5:30 - 8:30/9, twice a week. Started the week after Labor day, and ended at the end of April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I (happily!) work for Honda. One of the "Huge companies" you mentioned. Several unionizing attempts over the last 25+ years have failed. Embarrassingly so. Unions were needed at a time to keep business needs & worker safety in concert, but their positive influence is very much doubted. Ask GM, Chrysler what's the major anchor on daily business operations.We have a small group of workers who still feel the need for a union, and Honda does not prohibit their display of "chicken-sh*t yellow union stickers" because the mutual respect is there as an ingrained business operating principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaln8tv Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Seriously, the petty issues, paranoia, and the general lack of returned respect is annoying. Do you really think I want to do your job? I've got enough on my plate as is to even think about doing your job. Just because I'm wearing a pair of gloves does not mean I want to take your job away, it means I don't feel like slicing my hands open on the thousands of sharp objects located on my engine.I hate visiting UAW vehicle plants...Disclaimer: I've worked with many a great union people and made plenty of friends, it's just the select few that ruin it for the rest by sticking to that old, stupid "mentality".No disclaimer, probably not a fact, but definetly my experience: the one time I took a position that was union -- it was before i graduated college. i was surrounded by fat lazy people who just showed up for their paycheck and checked out @ 5pm. they lacked an ambitious mentality and they knew more about their union rules and ways to get arond HR than their own job responsiblilies.... im just sayin..... i'll probably get flamed but hey -- the title of this thread is "i hate the union mentality." So shoot me for chiming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 It's interesting to see the original post I made so far into this thread. lolMy opinion remains the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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