scottb Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 http://www.cnbc.com/id/39743024The show is called "Remington under fire" airing Wednesday 10/20 at 9PM on CNBC. The topic is the trigger of the Remington 700 rifle. Might be a decent show if it is factual, and not fear mongering. I have the Tivo set to record it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) The 700 trigger has been used for 50+ years. That includes in military combat. If you incorrectly adjust any trigger, you can make it unsafe. I could do the same thing with mine and have done it on purpose for testing when I adjusted my pull weight. Also, it doesnt matter if its the older style trigger or xmark pro, if you incorrectly adjust it, you can create safety issues. These people are just looking to file lawsuits. And for the vid of the police snipers showing it fire, I can guarantee they adjusted their trigger way to light on purpose just to show the vid. Such BS!! Edited October 20, 2010 by flounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted October 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 I am curious to see what spin CNBC will put on this topic. I suspect it will be from the side that this products harms/ injures its users. I agree that too much adjustment can make a firearm unsafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked1 Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 I have no sympathy for someone who shoots someone while sitting next to them. What part of "never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot" don't people understand. I say negligence is on both parties if in fact the gun malfunctioned. As far as the gun going off and injuring someone that you cannot see (through a wall) I can understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banditj13 Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 so, let me guess, CNBC is going to spin this without regard to the operators that handle the guns? I mean, if I am not competent enough to understand that if I change the trigger in such a way, I have to treat the firearm with more care.. should I really be modifying it?My take... if I am ready to shoot it at all times, and assume it's always loaded, and "risky"...if I treat all firearms with respect, then why would it ever injure someone...I suppose a self defense situation might appear a little different... but all safe firearm handling rules still apply...As a kid, growing up around firearms, I always looked for the "cut this part off to make it fire multiple times" mod... At one point, I had modified a ruger 10/22 with such a light trigger pull, that I could "bump fire" it at insane speed...you can modify, tweak or change just about anything and make it unsafe./OFFrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Accu-trigger ftw lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 I really hate backing up Kawi, but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banditj13 Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 yep... accu-trigger +3...Makes no difference saftey wise... I am sure someone could tweak an accu-trigger to be unsafe as well... and then lib-media could go after savage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 I really hate backing up Kawi, but That hurts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted October 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 The show is about to start. just an FYI ( Direct TV channel 355) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Funny reply from Remington.http://m.remington700.tv/# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Lolz nice response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 I really hate backing up Kawi, but That hurts...its only because he prefers to back into you with no pants on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 That would explain his backwards walking at midget Todd's shoot.I'm learning a lot about the kid I'm not sure I want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) watched the show. no denying the fact remington knows about the problem. they try to say they never could replicate the problem in a lab but provided documents stating otherwise back in the 1970's.the problem is it can fire when you take the safety off. which you have to do to unload the bullet from the camber.(idiotic design) and it sometimes doesn't fire when you pull the trigger, then all it take is a tap on the bolt or anywhere and the gun fires.if that's not a safety issue nothing is.the guy who invented the gun even warned remington back in the 1940's it was unsafe. and came up with a fix but since it costs 5.5 cents for every gun they decided not to.but now, their new gun implements the same exact part to keep the gun from accidentally going off.deny it all you want, there are plenty of videos demonstrating it going off for no reason. and it even did it in a courtroom. because it did, a judge awarded someone 17million. all over 5.5 cents lol.now it's going to cost rem close to $100 a gun to recall. the recall costs more than remingtons worth. that's what they get for being bull headed. Edited October 21, 2010 by serpentracer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 It's funny because I had no idea that the CEO of Cabela's used to be the CEO of Remington. Even he denied the media a request to speak about it. I can see what Remington is saying about safely handling of the rifle and I was drilled with always treating any firearm is if it were loaded and take the appropriate precautions. But I don't think Remington has a leg to stand on with this issue and the 700. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Funny reply from Remington.http://m.remington700.tv/#you know what's really funny about that video????they left out the clip of the army sniper demonstrating how it doesn't go off and only takes a tap on the stock to make it fire.is that a safe user fault or a unsafe gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 I also like the fact remington is all over youtube trying to discredit the show. and they won't let you comment without approval.that's like toyota trying to say their gas pedals sticking were because people were pushing it instead of the brake...yeah ok. and cigarettes don't cause cancer lol. trust us where philip morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 watched the show. no denying the fact remington knows about the problem. they try to say they never could replicate the problem in a lab but provided documents stating otherwise back in the 1970's.the problem is it can fire when you take the safety off. which you have to do to unload the bullet from the camber.(idiotic design) and it sometimes doesn't fire when you pull the trigger, then all it take is a tap on the bolt or anywhere and the gun fires.if that's not a safety issue nothing is.the guy who invented the gun even warned remington back in the 1940's it was unsafe. and came up with a fix but since it costs 5.5 cents for every gun they decided not to.but now, their new gun implements the same exact part to keep the gun from accidentally going off.deny it all you want, there are plenty of videos demonstrating it going off for no reason. and it even did it in a courtroom. because it did, a judge awarded someone 17million. all over 5.5 cents lol.now it's going to cost rem close to $100 a gun to recall. the recall costs more than remingtons worth. that's what they get for being bull headed.Bullshit.. the xmark trigger will act the same way if you adjust it wrong. Its about the adjustment of the trigger. Adjust anything wrong and you can make it unsafe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 you know what's really funny about that video????they left out the clip of the army sniper demonstrating how it doesn't go off and only takes a tap on the stock to make it fire.is that a safe user fault or a unsafe gun?Whats funny is that those were "police snipers" Who obviously have the knowledge to create that scenario. Hell, if you want I could do the same thing with mine. If you know how it works, then you know how to make it fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Found this article on adjusting the 700's trigger. Read the very bottom "Check by:" bullet number 2.http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Remingtontriggers.aspI guess this just backups up the flat fishes' claims about proper adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 The last line of the first part is kind of funny also. LOLZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) Whats funny is that those were "police snipers" Who obviously have the knowledge to create that scenario. Hell, if you want I could do the same thing with mine. If you know how it works, then you know how to make it fail.so you admit it has a fault. you can't make something fail if is can't actually happen. demonstrating it over and over only proves without a doubt it's a flawed design.the guy who designed the gun even told remington it would and can fail. Edited October 21, 2010 by serpentracer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted October 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Based on the TV show, it was factual. It turns out that Remington knew about the design issue about 60 years ago. I as new shooter, I already know to treat any firearm as if it was loaded and never point the barrel at anything you dont want dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 How much does the adjustment affect the likelihood of accidental discharge?I'm trying to equate this to "adjusting" some other product improperly. Like if I rode a motorcycle with 8 psi in the tires, that wouldn't be the tire's fault, even though it's the tire that failed.I'm ASKING if there's a plausible correlation with the triggers here. I don't know firearms, nor did I see the show - so again, I'm ASKING.a bad design allows failure, but in some cases poor maintenance is what CAUSES it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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