Scruit Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 what exactly defines concealed?i have my CHL so its not really an issue for me, but occasionally i pocket carry in the small pocket above my regular jean pocket...just put the muzzle into that pocket and it holds it pretty secure, covers the trigger, but the grip sticks out still....if i have a hoodie on it will usually cover it up, but sometimes it doesnt....would that be concealed since most/part of the gun is concealed, or open since it is still partially visible?Concealed / Visible is initially up to the interpretation of the officer at the scene, then ultimately up to the judge/jury.There are some officers out there that will call it concealed if any part of it is hidden by clothing - if they want to charge you with concealed. There are those that will call it visible is any part is visible - if they want to charge you with a crime relating to visiblilty.Then there are officers who may catch you making a mistake on something (like back itneh days of the buckeye tuck, if your pistol was not visible) who will just tell you how to be in compliance with the law.Officer discretion. And if it's partly hidden and partly visible then one officer may call it concealed and the other may call it open-carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 what exactly defines concealed?i have my CHL so its not really an issue for me, but occasionally i pocket carry in the small pocket above my regular jean pocket...just put the muzzle into that pocket and it holds it pretty secure, covers the trigger, but the grip sticks out still....if i have a hoodie on it will usually cover it up, but sometimes it doesnt....would that be concealed since most/part of the gun is concealed, or open since it is still partially visible?For purposes of this discussion, concealed means completely hidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idodishez Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 You know how you can call a cop an asshole all you want because, as an agent of the government, he is held to the constitution. You can? Then why did I get arrested for flipping off a cop?NoBama 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 what exactly defines concealed?i have my CHL so its not really an issue for me, but occasionally i pocket carry in the small pocket above my regular jean pocket...just put the muzzle into that pocket and it holds it pretty secure, covers the trigger, but the grip sticks out still....if i have a hoodie on it will usually cover it up, but sometimes it doesnt....would that be concealed since most/part of the gun is concealed, or open since it is still partially visible?It doesn't matter if it's concealed or visible but the thing with carrying it in your pocket like that and partially being visible is you could be innocently reaching for some change in your pocket to buy a pack of gum and the clerk or other customers could see it as you reaching for gun then the cops get MWAG call. If your carrying it like that just don't keep anything else in that pocket and don't fidget with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 It doesn't matter if it's concealed or visible but the thing with carrying it in your pocket like that and partially being visible is you could be innocently reaching for some change in your pocket to buy a pack of gum and the clerk or other customers could see it as you reaching for gun then the cops get MWAG call. If your carrying it like that just don't keep anything else in that pocket and don't fidget with it.i dont keep anything in my pockets on that side, not even in the main pocket under the small one if i have it in my big pocket i use a pocket holster to keep it secure, if its in the small pocket its secure enough as is and im not worried about the trigger, its got 500lbs of draw in DA mode so as long as i dont put my keys or phone or something with it then it would never have a reason to get touched....appreciate the heads up though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 You can? Then why did I get arrested for flipping off a cop?NoBama 2012What was the charge? Disorderly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 then in that case I wouldn't worry about it if someone sees it they shouldn't have been scanning your crotch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 then in that case I wouldn't worry about it if someone sees it they shouldn't have been scanning your crotchim not worried about it lol...just wanted to know what it would be classified as, concealed or open. wasnt sure where the line is for that.and dont get me confused with scruit - i carry it in my pocket, i dont use a weiner holster like he does for his bersa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Back to the OP, are you friends with anyone else in the complex that doesn't carry, that might be willing to raise the question to the management? That way they would have no reason to worry about being scutinized, and they wouldn't be watching you if they don't get the right answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 actually - if there was a thumb snap or some form of active retention built into that pocket - i would swear it was built as a gun holster....im not exactly sure what its real purpose is, maybe to tuck dollar bills into or something, i dont know, but it works perfectly...i might make my girl sew a thumb strap onto my jeans or something and make it official haha...i hate carrying open with no active retention, so i try to keep my hoodie down over it ...and my owb holster is just a cheap fobus paddle - i would like to pick up a blackhawk serpa sometimei wish i could carry iwb comfortably, but its just not for me...too much love handles lol, even tried a fancy mtac and still couldnt get the feel for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Back to the OP, are you friends with anyone else in the complex that doesn't carry, that might be willing to raise the question to the management? That way they would have no reason to worry about being scutinized, and they wouldn't be watching you if they don't get the right answer.back on topic? YOURE NOT THE FORUM FUHRER!and why does it have to be someone who lives there? heck, give me the phone number and ill call and ask them why they hate AMERICA and the second amendment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 back on topic? YOURE NOT THE FORUM FUHRER!and why does it have to be someone who lives there? heck, give me the phone number and ill call and ask them why they hate AMERICA and the second amendmentI figured it would be easier to get them to respond to someone that lives there is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 America <- (caps) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idodishez Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 What was the charge? Disorderly?Don't remember. I was 16. Do remember having to call dad to get me from popo thoughNoBama 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Dunno about your situation, but you can be arrested for disorderly conduct if you are doing more than just flipping the cop off. If you are moving around threateningly and aggressively and the officer can articulate why he felt you were a physical danger then he can take you in for that. But if you just stand there and, without breaking any actual laws, express your opinions in a non-threatening manner at an agent of the government then there is Supreme Court precedent protecting your right to free speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZRMatt Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I wouldn't print anything or say anything more about it to anyone by doing that your just going to draw unnecessary attention to yourself and cause them to watch your every move. The terms of the lease are illegal so if they ever tried to evict you then you just fight it but unless that happens concealed means concealed and leave it at that.This is exactly right. You have the ORC on your side. Don't draw attention to yourself. Once you do, if they want you out, they will find another part of your lease that you violated and throw you out for that. That way, they don't violate your rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I love that Scruit has a better understanding of Constitutional Law than most native-born Americans.It seems to me that this "problem" has been solved multiple times already. Don't get CAUGHT carrying, and there is no issue. If someone does catch you, it will take longer for them to evict you than to just let your lease run out... With regard to your car being searched at work, Scruit is 100% correct. Search & Seizure regulations apply to the government only. You do not have to allow your employer to search your vehicle (unless it's a company vehicle). If they want to fire you for that, then that's their prerogative. They can fire you for a host of other LEGAL actions too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jst2fst Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 This is exactly right. You have the ORC on your side. Don't draw attention to yourself. Once you do, if they want you out, they will find another part of your lease that you violated and throw you out for that. That way, they don't violate your rights.True, that's why I have not brought this up again to them. Plus I work alot and don't see any of my neighbors during the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Get rid of the gun. Go live in a safe area and you won't need one anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jst2fst Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Get rid of the gun. Go live in a safe area and you won't need one anyways. Yea... Right when you find said place let me know so I can stay clear of the nut jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yea... Right when you find said place let me know so I can stay clear of the nut jobs.If I told you then you'd be there with your gun so that would defeat my purpose of staying in safe areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jst2fst Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 If I told you then you'd be there with your gun so that would defeat my purpose of staying in safe areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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