jhaag Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You and I will get together...you with a tazer, and me with a police baton.You tazer me first, and after I recover (just a few minutes), I'll hit you in the knee with the baton.I'll bring you a beer in the hospital while they're rebuilding your knee and we'll discuss how each option worked.Deal?Ha!so, after admitting that he would take you down first (negating your argument altogether), he's supposed to be stupid enough to just stand there, let you recover by not tazing you again, not take your baton, not restrain you and allow you to bash his knee all to prove you're right? jeezus, i dont even know the guy, but i'm pretty sure he's smarter than that.way to think it through....are you going to hang him in the town square after he finishes his beer, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ha!so, after admitting that he would take you down first (negating your argument altogether), he's supposed to be stupid enough to just stand there, let you recover by not tazing you again, not take your baton, not restrain you and allow you to bash his knee all to prove you're right? jeezus, i dont even know the guy, but i'm pretty sure he's smarter than that.way to think it through....are you going to hang him in the town square after he finishes his beer, too?You missed the point by a mile. It is supposed to point out that you recover from a taser in seconds unless there is a freak accident. A baton blow usually results in bruises and ongoing pain and often results in the need for medical treatment and recovery after the fact.This is not about two people literally facing off taser vs baton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You missed the point by a mile. It is supposed to point out that you recover from a taser in seconds unless there is a freak accident. A baton blow usually results in bruises and ongoing pain and often results in the need for medical treatment and recovery after the fact.This is not about two people literally facing off taser vs baton.understood. call me too-quick-to-reply on that one. however, and not for the sake of arguing, i think the original point was that, by definition, you cant account for a freak accident nor rule it out, whether for arguments sake or not. the tazer has no way of knowing the effects the jolt will have on the tazees nervous system, while a blow the knee doesnt hold the same potential, short of a blood clot to the heart, i guess. knowing the potential the shock could have, both neurologically and with regard to leaving the tazee rendered helpless and prone to gravity realted injury, i would say the argument is that it should be a last or near last resort; especially, in this case, since the perp was within arms length and poorly restrained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 understood. call me too-quick-to-reply on that one. however, and not for the sake of arguing, i think the original point was that, by definition, you cant account for a freak accident nor rule it out, whether for arguments sake or not. the tazer has no way of knowing the effects the jolt will have on the tazees nervous system, while a blow the knee doesnt hold the same potential, short of a blood clot to the heart, i guess. knowing the potential the shock could have, both neurologically and with regard to leaving the tazee rendered helpless and prone to gravity realted injury, i would say the argument is that it should be a last or near last resort; especially, in this case, since the perp was within arms length and poorly restrained.she was injured by the fall. it could happen with a baton too. crack to the knee with a baton will drop someone, especially a methed out 80lb woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 she was injured by the fall. it could happen with a baton too. crack to the knee with a baton will drop someone, especially a methed out 80lb womantrue, but she would still be conscience and able to break her fall even given the possiblility of falling backward. i think the most previous point, and i think a good one, is the possible effect of the voltage/amperage of the tazer on brain and heart function, which could never be known from perp to perp and seems to be played down due to the small magnitude of probability and no regard given to the possibility, which is more dangerous with regard to the well being of the not-yet-convicted felon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 true, but she would still be conscience and able to break her fall even given the possiblility of falling backward. i think the most previous point, and i think a good one, is the possible effect of the voltage/amperage of the tazer on brain and heart function, which could never be known from perp to perp and seems to be played down due to the small magnitude of probability and no regard given to the possibility, which is more dangerous with regard to the well being of the not-yet-convicted felon.tasers are used on police officers in training more than they are on perps. i dont see police falling over dead. i disagree that the electricity is inherintly dangerous to an average healthy person. arguing for someone who is already in poor health cant be a valid argument, because you could make the same argument about tackling someone who has leukemia. her injuries were not related to the voltage/amperage....so im not sure why that is your argument against tazers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 true, but she would still be conscience and able to break her fall even given the possiblility of falling backward. i think the most previous point, and i think a good one, is the possible effect of the voltage/amperage of the tazer on brain and heart function, which could never be known from perp to perp and seems to be played down due to the small magnitude of probability and no regard given to the possibility, which is more dangerous with regard to the well being of the not-yet-convicted felon.You have watched way to many hollywood movies. You do not lose conscience when you get hit with a taser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) true, but she would still be conscience and able to break her fall even given the possiblility of falling backward. i think the most previous point, and i think a good one, is the possible effect of the voltage/amperage of the tazer on brain and heart function, which could never be known from perp to perp and seems to be played down due to the small magnitude of probability and no regard given to the possibility, which is more dangerous with regard to the well being of the not-yet-convicted felon. Tasers interrupt voluntary muscle control. Someone who is taser will not lose consciousness as a result of the taser itself, and will not be able to reach out to break their fall.Seems to me that your objections are based largely on a lack of knowledge of how tasers work.Would there be the same controversy if the taser was painless? Edited February 23, 2012 by Scruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You have watched way to many hollywood movies. You do not lose conscience when you get hit with a taser.Wait, are you saying hollywood movies aren't true to life? People really don't go flying back 70ft when hit by a .45? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You have watched way to many hollywood movies. You do not lose conscience when you get hit with a taser.You lose conscience when you fire it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Somebody doesn't know much about how the effects from a tazer works, somebody may also enjoy hugging trees and is a proud member of PETA? If I am wrong I fully apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You lose conscience when you fire it.Probably a very good thing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Probably a very good thing too.Or you'd feel guilty.Conscience = The little angel on your shoulder telling you to do good things.Conscious = AwakeLose consciousness = to become unaware of, and non-responsive to, your surroundings.Lose conscience = Lose your moral compass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Or you'd feel guilty.Conscience = The little angel on your shoulder telling you to do good things.Conscious = AwakeLose consciousness = to become unaware of, and non-responsive to, your surroundings.Lose conscience = Lose your moral compassIm a horrible speller, I just went with what was posted before me haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZRMatt Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Somebody doesn't know much about how the effects from a tazer works, somebody may also enjoy hugging trees and is a proud member of PETA? If I am wrong I fully apologize.People for theEating ofTastyAnimalsI'M A MEMBER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 People for theEating ofTastyAnimalsI'M A MEMBER!Yeah I am probably a platinum member of that particular organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I eat meat to stop global warming. Less cows=less cow flatulence destroying ozone. I feel it's my civic duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 lolalright, guys. clearly, the misuse of technical writing on my part while arguing my stance totally negates my point. lesson learned. i'll try to do better next time i have a differing opinion of the horde. as you were.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 lolalright, guys. clearly, the misuse of technical writing on my part while arguing my stance totally negates my point. lesson learned. i'll try to do better next time i have a differing opinion of the horde. as you were....As long as you have learned your lesson, that is all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Edited February 24, 2012 by jhaag oops, didnt mean to quote... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 People for theEating ofTastyAnimalsI'M A MEMBER!Seriously. If God didn't want us to eat pigs then why did he make them out of bacon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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