chevysoldier Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/11/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-2494002.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsuMj Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 wow, almost half way to having the admin consider it:https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gen3flygirl Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 ^ awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 But at least this thread is in the right section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Let's move to Texas!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbH60wCO-Yw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Add Georgia and Missouri to the list. I'm surprised to see New York and New Jersey on the list. Edited November 12, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsuMj Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Add Georgia and Missouri to the list. I'm surprised to see New York and New Jersey o the list.I mean, its just a rando making the petition, isn't it? It's not like it was the choice of the state government. I'm surprised there aren't more states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) I mean, its just a rando making the petition, isn't it? It's not like it was the choice of the state government. I'm surprised there aren't more states.Yes. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just one guy submitting all the petitions.And yes, Texas is a Republic. From what I remember, Texas reserved the right to be an independent nation when they joined the union, if they should so decide in the future. (Mostly a myth.)edit: The Republic of Texas first formed when it broke away from Mexico, but the USA wasn't interested yet. Vermont and Hawaii were also Republics before joining the Union. Edited November 12, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsuMj Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Texas has almost 30,000 sigs! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Ok, it wasn't the easiest thing to find in gov websites...The number of petitions has doubled over the weekend.All petitions expired without the necessary amount of signatures,except for the following states:Texas has 120,111 signatures.Louisiana has 37,534 signatures.Florida has 35,402 signatures.Georgia has 32,531 signatures.Alabama has 30,643 signatures.North Carolina has 30,873 signatures.Tennessee has 31,568 signatures.South Carolina has 25,139 signatures.Petitions to the White Househttps://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitionsAll 50 States currently found to have petitions:Vermont (new Thursday)Connecticut (new Wednesday)Maryland (new Wednesday)Washington (new Wednesday)Hawaii (new Wednesday)Massachusetts (new Wednesday)Washington (new Wednesday)Iowa (new Wednesday)Maine (new Wednesday)New Mexico (new Tuesday)Minnesota (new Tuesday)New Hampshire (new Tuesday)Illinois (new Tuesday) (two petitions)Idaho (new Tuesday)Rhode Island (new Tuesday)Virginia (new Tuesday) (three petitions)Wisconsin (new Tuesday)South Dakota (new Tuesday)West Virginia (new Tuesday)Nebraska (new Tuesday)Alaska (new Tuesday) (two petitions)Kansas (new Tuesday) (two petitions)Utah (new Tuesday) (two petitions)Wyoming (new Tuesday)California (new Tuesday) (three petitions)Ohio (new Monday night) (three petitions)Delaware (new Monday night)Nevada (new Monday night)Pennsylvania (new Monday night) (two petitions)ArizonaOklahoma (two petitions)ArkansasSouth Carolina (two petitions)Georgia (three petitions)Missouri (two petitions)TennesseeMichiganNew York (two petitions)ColoradoOregonNew JerseyNorth DakotaMontanaIndianaMississippiKentuckyFloridaNorth CarolinaAlabamaTexasLouisiana Edited December 17, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Which begs the question. If the entire country wants to secede from itself, what happens?Do we get to vote on a new government? Or start over? Or somehow divide it up?The petition venue is new, and there isn't really a recourse by law or legislation.Or will it be ignored. A lot more valid signatures are required to put a legal vote on a ballot.(Which is actually funny... we the people choose to ignore ourselves...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 This reminds me of a whiny "know-it-all" teenager that wants to move out at 15 y/o. Do these states have any plans, or just a bunch of whining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Didn't the Soviet Union go through something similar after the Cold War?Yes, the Soviet Union disbanded into separate states.All are well and doing fine...(Although they sometimes fight each other over terrorism or other stuff.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Separate countries' date=' don't you mean? It may be a semantic thing, but calling them states would infer they belong to something larger than themselves, right?[/quote']Ok ok the separated states became sovereign countries.Which I think most of them were before joining the Soviet Union by force or will. A couple were parts of Germany, territories I think...East bloc countries taken in WW2 or invasions after were freed also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) This reminds me of a whiny "know-it-all" teenager that wants to move out at 15 y/o. Do these states have any plans, or just a bunch of whining?lol, it could actually be 15yo kids submitting the petitions.It wouldn't hurt most states to give some thought to a disaster plan. If each state found themselves on their own. A step toward that is individual state currency. Valid if the federal reserve goes belly up. South Carolina, Georgia, Idaho and Indiana are the first ones to vote on it. Thirteen states considering it. Minnesota, Tennessee, Iowa, Virginia, North Carolina, Utah, Idaho, New Hampshire, Wyoming.edit: Gold and silver state currency is already legal in Utah. Legalized in 2011. Edited November 13, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Plans? Like what? Are you suggesting that Texas can't/won't endure without the rest of us?Plans for government, economy, continued relationship with remaining U.S., infrastructure......Texas could easily live without the rest of the U.S. Are Texans willing to work hard for this as a common goal? I have my doubts....I don't see Louisiana surviving on theit own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Louisiana, a bit rough, with no changes in the future. I think it's the off shore oil industry that keeps Louisiana going. Mississippi to the East is in rough shape. The states that pay little but take a lot from the federal government are Mississippi, West Virginia, and New Mexico.Map of the states here:http://skydancingblog.com/tag/federal-aid-to-states/Notice that really only 21 of the states show a profit in terms of federal income/spending. And only 3 are in really good economic condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Texas wants this 36,186 votes from a population of approximately 25,674,681. A whopping 1.4% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Map of the states here:http://skydancingblog.com/tag/federal-aid-to-states/Notice that really only 21 of the states show a profit in terms of federal income/spending. And only 3 are in really good economic condition.Illinois is in HORRIBLE economic condition. The map is misleading. Maybe it's just all shades of horrible between the states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 There's a difference between bad state spending and bad federal involvment.Wait, I've got a map for that... lol.States Draw Up Plans for Year of Even Bigger Budget Cutshttp://sg.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-BB941_STATES_NS_20091111235425.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Texas wants this 36,186 votes from a population of approximately 25,674,681. A whopping 1.4%Yes, but at the current rate they will have 10.8% (edited) within the time limit. That's huge. Considering all of this is not in the news. errr, or wasn't... CBS picked it up 5 hours ago. ABC and NBC picked it up an hour ago. Mostly because it hit the minimum required numbers of signatures. We'll see what happens now. Maybe all of Texas will sign it. Heck, maybe the entire country will sign it. We'll have a big party. Edited November 13, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 While 7.5% could be within reach...I think it means nothing. They would need the majority of the state population or close to the majority of their elected officials to even think of this as a possibility.You are correct that this should have ben in the news awhile ago. Unfortunately there is only so much internet...and I needed to hear the latest Twilight gossip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 If it ever gets serious, you'll know it by all the liberals screaming to stop it....... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Actually it would be hilarious if Texas did it. The folks that wanted to stay part of the U.S. would be the new illegal immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Ok, half the states have petitioned now.And Ohio was the 26th (duh)Sign it if you wish...https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-peaceful-withdrawal-ohio-united-states-america-such-it-becomes-its-own-free-nation/xKLK11kk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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