Bitani Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/12/02/new-unit-to-probe-alcohol-sources.htmlI'm not even legal to drink, but..What the hell, Ohio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Nanny state shit......always somebody else's fault for the bad choices others make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vf1000ride Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 That's generally a load of crap. They already have a law on the books that makes it illegal to sell to somebody that is visibly drunk. This is just another law to add on top of an already unenforced piece of shit legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Suppose a person already has alcohol in their car before they go into a bar. They have some drinks before they go into the bar that have not yet taken affect. They drink more in the bar in a short period of time and are refused service after it becomes apparent they shouldn't be served more. The person then gets into their car and drinks some more of what they have, finishing the last of it and disposing of the container. Then they drive off and get into an accident.The bar did not serve them while they were in an intoxicated state and cut them off when they consumed faster than was prudent. The patron left.How was the bar to know they had consumed before they arrived? How can they escape the accusation of serving them too much when in reality the patron had his own liquor in the car and disposed of the empty bottle before driving off?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxus Christ! Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 What a load of shit. This isn't some great step for victims rights, its a jobs program for liquor control agents and another piece of nanny legislation. As stated above the law has been on the books for some time now. It isn't enforced very often. Bars, especially the hole in the wall gin joints that I frequent, don't cut people off for being drunk. If they did karaoke would vanish overnight. Bars cut people off if they're being obnoxious or falling down/falling asleep etc, and even then I've seen bartenders just let 'em sleep it off on the bar.I want the law to go after Ben and Jerry and Coca-Cola for giving me the Diabetus.They should also go after pork farmers of America. They served my grandma too much bacon and she died of heart disease. I'm a victim! I have rights!Better go after the guy that sold those drunk drivers all that gasoline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 They need to go after the spouse. Why the fuck do you think we're at the bar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikAccord Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 They need to go after the spouse. Why the fuck do you think we're at the bar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester3681 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 This is nonsense, utter nonsense. My only thought is that they would have to prove malice on the part of the bartender to make anything stick - the bartender would have to knowingly serve an obviously drunk person with multiple witnesses. I'd think that would be a hard door to open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Yet da gubment won't shut down MacDonalds for making stupid people obese. It's not their fault they fat. Anything to get our focus off the real issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Yet da gubment won't shut down MacDonalds for making stupid people obese. It's not their fault they fat. Anything to get our focus off the real issues. Yep, exactly, they basically just want to not deal with what is really wrong with society. Example; right now you can get a Big Mac for $.25 after you buy another. So let's think about this, I can get a Big Mac extra value meal for like $4.99, then add another sammich for $.25, or $5.25, totaling over 150g fat, and like 2500calories, but no one does anything about regulating any of that becasue we have choices..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Personal responsibility is no longer in Americas' vocabulary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Personal responsibility is no longer in Americas' vocabulary.That is so sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I didn't read the whole thing but is the new part that they are going to actively track down where the person was served and hold them responsible?Because if it is saying the bars and bartenders can be held responsible, this isn't anything new at all and has been legally allowed since at least 2004 in my personal experience. It is just that it was complete rare for it ever to come back on them.Also, once again...I hate the direction of New America so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I didn't read the whole thing but is the new part that they are going to actively track down where the person was served and hold them responsible?Because if it is saying the bars and bartenders can be held responsible, this isn't anything new at all and has been legally allowed since at least 2004 in my personal experience. It is just that it was complete rare for it ever to come back on them.Also, once again...I hate the direction of New America so muchNew push for enforcement. Actively investigating the source of the alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 We are a 'sue happy' society. Heck even people who are found not guilty in a court of law now can face a ridiculous civil suit afterwards.Our land is led and driven by lawyers, and who is it that always stands to gain big $$$ whenever a lawsuit occurs? Not the plaintiff, or the accused but rather the lawyer. So these leaders love to open more doors to more lawsuits. And we pay either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomcat0403 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Apparently no one that has commented has been a server in the past 6 years. I was at Bdubs and there is an entire class and test on over serving someone. Yes it can be possible for the victim...not the drunk....to come back at the establishment for over serving someone. If they leave the building drunk off their ass, it is the establishment and the servers responsibility to an extent to make an effort to stop them from driving.It makes sense to and certain point for me to at least offer them a cab (and there are ways for the establishment to foot the bill as well) or a glass of water and a chair. I agree however that it is ultimately the individual dumbasses responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Where's libertarian Magz to argue for this? Disappoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelstoker Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Apparently no one that has commented has been a server in the past 6 years. I was at Bdubs and there is an entire class and test on over serving someone. Yes it can be possible for the victim...not the drunk....to come back at the establishment for over serving someone. If they leave the building drunk off their ass, it is the establishment and the servers responsibility to an extent to make an effort to stop them from driving.It makes sense to and certain point for me to at least offer them a cab (and there are ways for the establishment to foot the bill as well) or a glass of water and a chair. I agree however that it is ultimately the individual dumbasses responsibility.To the OP, welcome to DRAMSHOP, albiet, about 30 years too late.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dram_shopAs a bartender and server, I have taken those courses and gone through the drill. The profit motive is also at fault as their establishment profitability depends on amount of liquor consumed. Like most things, personal responsibility (or lack there of) is always the root cause. State has to step in and play nanny because Joe and Jane are unable to make the correct rational decisions or accept responsibility when they F-up!!!!!!If you think the law is F-ed up, wait till you get the premium for the insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Where's libertarian Magz to argue for this? Disappoint.I was wondering the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 So how long until they can go after you if you throw a party and your buddy gets shit faced? I'm suing kawasaki and Honda for my bikes being so fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Next up is the grocery store for selling fattening foods.They should know i am already over weight and should not buy fattening foods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaposer Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 For over 50 years, and three generations it has been tradition for my family to work the bar at my gun clubs monthly meetings. Nothing complicated, just draft beer, and a very limited number of people attend the meetings. All are either members of the club, or guests, so it's not like there's complete strangers walking in off the street just to drink. But, two years ago, the clubs legal counsel decided it was in the clubs best interest to have us go to some bar-tending class and get a piece of paper saying we had training to be bartenders. The more I looked in to it, this is exactly what they were looking at, the legal ramifications of someone leaving there and turning around and suing the club. They were looking to cover their ass, and I figured by having us "trained", it was taking the liability off of them, and putting it on us serving. I decided it isn't worth sticking my neck out there and stopped working the bar. What a crappy direction society has decided to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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