Revelstoker Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) Dude, where do you get your info? I mean, you are saying they are giving check a bad bike. Are you freakin serious? Put down the Internet and try and source things a to develop a legitimate opinion before talking out of the side of you're mouth.Checa has struggled a bit. A new bike, no setup info to go off and the fact that the R13 isn't what was used in world super stock. Wow.Oh, and please only talk race when you have enough info to not look bad. I'd say that the fact that stoner took the Ducati to a championship in motogp, might mean something...Guys, let me clarify my position.Stoner did take Ducati to a championship but that was in 2007 (rest are Yamaha and Honda > Rossi, Lorenzo and Stoner) and it was NOT the carbon frameless bike. The last time Ducati won any (GP/WSBK) championship is with Stoner on a trellis and Checa on a trellis. MotoGP > Stoner rode the carbon thing, struggled. Rossi stepped in and struggled even more. Ducati ditched the carbon and went to an aluminum perimeter frame. Bike still was horrible and both Rossi and Hayden suffered for it. (maybe it was tires or ??, I don't know). Any fact misrepresentation or misstatements of the facts yet? Also, we saw what Stoner could do on the Honda so we know it wasn't the rider. Rossi gets redemption this year on Yamaha, so we have to wait and see if it was bike or rider (I say bike).WSBK > Checa won the SBK 2011 title on a trellis and was doing well in the first few races of 2012. Then the race org. slapped a 6lb weight penalty on him and he suffered the rest of the year. http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=Ducati-WSBK-weight-penalty-abolished-next-season&newsid=8271My comments about WSBK 2013 is that they are moving to Panigale and I ASSUME it is some race version of the production model. Is it safe to assume the same guys that built the GP carbon unit may have had a hand in the SBK carbon unit? So, carbon frameless bike again. Could it be different, yes but if Checa struggles this year, it shouldn't come as a surprise. Crap bike, quite possibly. Time will tell. BMW earned their dues and I am quite positive that Ducati will have to earn theirs as well. Killer motor, weight penalties or not.True enough, MotoGP is a different breed of motorcycle. Also true that WSBK is not the same thing as the production bikes. But we know that technologies are shared. As such, I believe it is perfectly valid to use MotoGP results as a basis for understanding of what can happen when a similar approach is applied in WSBK. Ducati hasn't had much success with the MotoGP bike(s) and it should not come as a surprise if they struggle in WSBK. Bad bike or will the 17" Pirelli tires make all the difference? Maybe or maybe not. If he does well, I will be pleasantly surprised and everyone can get a good chuckle on my behalf. But if he struggles, I get to crow to Ducati to go back being a Ducati = Trellis frame. That is and was a winning model.In short, I am no owner fanboi that simply believes Ducati is going to kick ass because they have some fancy new bedazzler of a bike and/or XYZ super jock rider. History shows that this frameles approach has not been successful in a non-production RACE bike. Two if not 3 of the best riders in the business have not been able to ride it to victory. (yes, 2010 Stoner did get a few podiums but he also crashed a lot and took a ton of shit for his efforts). MotoGP <> WSBK, fair enough but there are enough similarities for me to argue a correlation and if Checa struggles, causality.I am still quite interested to see how your bike comes out, how you do this season and how it compares to your previous KTM. (And for the record, my first response to your original post was in jest, I am seriously jealous.) Edited December 21, 2012 by Revelstoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 I have too much invest in my bike,and even if I part out the bike i get maybe 50% back.so i stick with what I have.i can run A,B,C SBK,and HWT SBK with Wera .im getting the engine blueprint ,and 1040 big bore kit.Won't this bump you out of some of the classes listed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photos by Marty Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Back on topic and more pics please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubguy85 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Won't this bump you out of some of the classes listed?He will be a heavyweight twin like the 1199, 1198, 1098, etc.. He'll just have an 848 with a 1040 kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 you cannot take the motogp bike and instantly think the WSBK is the same. Similar technology, but totally different. I agree. Correlation is not causation when you're talking MotoGP and WSBK.The Honda MotoGP bike is amazing, but the CBR1000RR-based WSBK bike is pretty mediocre.The gap widens when you start talking street bikes and/or other series. The Yamaha M1 took the MotoGP championship this season, but no one's even riding an R1 in WSBK anymore... At the AMA level, Hayes dominates on the R1, but at the club level, it is not the favorite contender.IF the pannigale has problems, Ducati's MotoGP failures have nothing to do with it, and virtually no effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vw151 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 He will be a heavyweight twin like the 1199, 1198, 1098, etc.. He'll just have an 848 with a 1040 kit.the 1040 kit is a very cool motor, makes 1098 power but in a more over square configuration and it still has the lighter 848 crank so it'll still turn in like an 848. Not that that has been anything to right home about but less rotating weight on something like the crank should make the bike feel "lighter" on turn in. Besides, wasn't the 848 already in the heavy twins categories? I thought the 749 was the biggest twin you could run in the lightweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) I look at the rule book and I can run F1,HWT SBK.the engine need rebuild so why not add few more HP. Edited December 21, 2012 by rusty 848 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Since Wera bump me to experts,now I definitely need few more HP.I guess they need fill up the off podium spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted December 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 I look at the rule book and I can run F1,HWT SBK.the engine need rebuild so why not add few more HP.Yeah, you won't be able to run the lighter weight classes or the B based classes, either.Cool concept and you have the right guy doing it. It will be cool for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted December 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 So, got some pics of the motor... The motor is torn down and being used as an educational tool via the dealership as it sits right now. So, it was on display at the shop for a few days before getting into it more.The more I was looking and being shown, the more impressed I was with the build quality and the attention to detail. Little stuff like DLC coated shifter forks. DLC coated piston pin and DLC coated rocker arms. All stuff you don't typically see in a motor...The engine pulled:The front half missing some things...Cases split:Kinda big pistons (Quarters not included.)DLC coated pin:DLC coated shift forks:Something VERY cool - pressurized chain guides for the cam chain! Rubber o-rings shown in green...Note the micro polishing on cam. Same with rods...Little touches like replacing the plastic bung, quick release. Attention to detail on something that will be on and off a number of times. Race prep means making sure the smallest thing is thought of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Since the engine is apart you getting it blueprint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted December 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Since the engine is apart you getting it blueprint?That's why it is torn down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Just happened upon this thread...very sick. Excited to see where this thing goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 what is this DLC coating you speak of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Diamond Like Carbon. Google is your friend at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 what is this DLC coating you speak of?That black stuff that allows for a higher wear rate and lowers friction depending on use. Like on fork tubes for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoblick Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 an amazing machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vw151 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Very cool engine pics. I have had an opportunity to see this bike torn down in a demo over at Matt's shop as well. I suppose it goes with out saying, but this bike is such a game changer, like nothing I've ever seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Very cool winter thread! thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMN8TR Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 This thread started out with a bang...and now nothing? Where's the updates Brian! We want pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted January 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 You did see the motor torn down pics, right? Waiting on parts and things like gaskets, etc. Hang tight amigo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I cant wait to rub my pee pee all over this lovely little toy. I'm turning the exhaust into a fleshlight. The end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMN8TR Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 You did see the motor torn down pics, right? Waiting on parts and things like gaskets, etc. Hang tight amigo.I ain't got time for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 No doubt! Shit, get your butt on a plane to Italy and get those damn parts already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Diamond Like Carbon. Google is your friend at this point.Keep it up and you'll never "see" me coming.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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