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So my 2cents on the current discussion is as follows; When it comes to training I have no issues with LE or ex-LE training me, same with military, BUT I would want the training to be much more geared towards real life scenarios as this is, not LE scenarios or Military experience. Jason could have talked all day about his training and we had several other people who were ex/retired(what is the correct term?) military who could have too. I believe Chris who was in the class was pretty experienced with military style training and shooting and he shoots a lot, like daily and is pretty good at it. But I didn't want to hear about what a LE trains for, or how the military trains for close quarters combat with taliban all around them because I don't plan to go to war or try to stop rioting in Missouri. I plan on using the training only to protect my family, friends, or innocent bystanders which is how this was instructed. Again, nothing against other trainers or ways of training, but I can see where LE and Military scenarios will have nothing to do with my real life scenarios, and if they do, I probably put myself in a pretty bad situation and that was my fault, no one else. Situational awareness is so big and I think too many people get complacent in their ways, something that is not good. I know my wife is a situational awareness nut, always planning and looking for ways out of anywhere we are, and also keeping eyes on everyone.

I'll chime in first; Absolutely no loss in validity due to not "being in a gun fight". I honestly believe the numbers would never allow for every ICE certified trainer, or any other certified training practice to have been in one. There's always a chance they would not make it out, or they might never been "right" again or whatever. The knowledge the trainers who have put countless hours in, 92 I believe is what Brian said they had this year alone, is definitely much more valid then someone who has been in 1 gun fight, or drawn their gun once. Who knows if they did everything right in that case or what the outcome could have been? The training is based on real life use, not overly tactical and not too fluffy that it will never be used again. I know having talked to Eric today at work he agrees completely that course like this should almost be a must IF we are continuing to require any classes at all for CHL's and the like. There was much, much more useful knowledge in this class than my CHL class back in 04.

There is so much truth to this post that I forgot. Mags, being a shield shooter I shot less than most others as my 2 mags held many less rounds, but Brian had a spare in his truck and let me borrow it to up my round count. I had already planned more mags for Christmas but obviously not here yet. Also as Craig stated, I was too nervous this might be a tad too tactial, it wasn't. Every single thing was put into real life perspective, not zombie apocalypse shit. But real life situations. I'm not one to be over the top operator and prefer to keep a pretty low profile when carrying, this helped to work on that kind of manners not so much rocking a vest, ARs, shottys, and all that stuff on someones private land playing operator, but real life. I still and going over things in my head and every few minutes think about a situation or how things would go down now, vs. before this class. Night and day. I feel I would be much better prepared to defend both my wife, my child, and/or any innocent victim at this point. Hopefully I will never have to, but stats are showing I will.

If it's not you penetrating, she's in don't worry. Ok I posted a start to a new trhread, I will have more later, Im falling asleep.

Just in from the Counter Ambush Class with Brian and Jason and Valkrie Defense Group and I am going to try to get a decent start on a review down before I crash for the night. I know Craig is going to join in and probably some other's, but here goes. First thing we did was a class session, simply covering the more advanced "basics", things like guns, ammo, holsters, but then we took it further. We discussed proximity to a threat, closing speed/distance, alternative deterrents, and everything under the sun. What we did not cover are things you should truly already know taking a more advanced course. Things like don't point a gun at someone, never look down a barrel to see if the gun is loaded, that kind of stuff that should have been covered in a GOOD CHL class. If it wasn't, use common sense or take a basic class with Valkryie and start fresh. I know the CHL class I took in 04 was awful, not because they didn't care, but it was super new to Ohio and we didn't do anything more than the very basic. So a good base is something that is good to have for this class. OR at least common sense/an IQ greater than 10. The class was about 90 minutes, nothing too long, and not boring at all because there was a ton of great knowledge being talked about. Then we hit the range. I really hope the boy scout reserve works out because the range is awesome. Bench's and tables for you gear, a huge back stop, tons of space, and really quiet back there. I will not be divulging what was taught in the class exactly because this is a business and these concepts are part of ICE, so I will keep this very basic. Let's start by saying you may or may not have bad habits, if you shoot a gun, you do, even if you don't think so. For me, within the 1st magazine an assistant instructor had helped me with my grip a little, which was also reviewed at the end of the class. At the same time, it wasn't like being picked on, or called out, it was fun, constructive criticism so even people who are soft will be fine. We had 2 main instructors and 2 assistants, all 4 of them were very helpful, knowledgeable, and willing to go the extra mile. Heck I was shooting my shield with 7/8 rd mags and one loaded my mags so I could shoot more. May have been due to class size too, but super legit. We were able to shoot while adding new aspects and things to think about constantly, building blocks to consider and add together in the end. It was non stop, adding something, practice, repeat, add something, practice, repeat, etc. By the time the class was winding down, several of us actually saw how tired each other looked. Not so much physically but mentally, really concentrating and putting it all together. Using those building blocks to build our skill set to be the best concealed carrying citizen we can. The skills we built on are all ones for real life, no crawling through the mud, no jumping over barb wire, these were thinking skills, analyzing, and engaging. Not just shooting paper targets like at the range but using analetical thinking to decide which target to shoot, which way to move or adjust, reloading, everything. A lot of what was covered are not things you can do at the indoor ranges locally, and the only way to get a chance is a class like this, then taking away the concepts and practicing. I know Eric and myself already said we would be shooting together as much as we can so we can continue to build on these concepts, but we also plan to take more classes with Brian and Jason, and continue to grow our skill set. I have watched probably 100 videos on classes on youtube and read tons of websites but until you do it in real life it only helps so much. And for what these guys charge and their location to all of us makes this a no brainer. I do not see any reason someone who carries would not take this class if they can. If not now, save for a month or two and plan to take it ASAP. I know i have more but I need to unwind a bit and debrief mentally. I am sure more will chime in but for now that is it. Awesome job by the instructors.

Uh consider this shit done. I had 2 people already coming before I got back to my actual house. My wife and BIL and/or MIL are all in. They all have CHL's and I couldn't stop talking about it when I got to my inlaws house. It's exactly what the females need to get more comfortable, BIL is pretty experienced but he needs real training, not just plinking. But I would also absolutely pay the cost again to get that class again. And like I said, if you guys want to run the CAC2 class early spring for a trial session I know Eric, Craig, and myself are in, paying normal cost etc but can be used and abused. I like it ruff, Craig not so much. Eric is quiet and you gotta be super gentle with him lol. I am borderline retarded right now and exhausted. Freaking awesome class, Going to do a full write up in a new thread.

Rumor is Craigs not wearing pants but a pink speedo when we play target practice.

Don't sign me up for that, F that.

haha

Myself and 1 other guy from Cbus are coming but can't do dinner. I talked to Bryan and he said we have the ideal amount of people fwiw.

Cool, looking forward to this.

100% correct, same with his wife. Even a minor injury, he just hurt his ankle last week on his first training day with a personal trainer, like first lap, and he's on crutches and all that jazz. Not immune related but its always 100% serious injury when it might be a rolled ankle. FWIW we sit all day so he isn't using crutches for work related stuff.

Coworker who sits behind me does the following daily; Comes into his cube, uses a lysol wipe to wipe everything down, constantly uses hand sanitizer at least a few times an hour, goes to lunch and comes back to use a lysol wipe, before he leaves he uses another lysol wipe. 3 a day, all on his own desk, phone, and cube. We don't share and no one ever comes to see us or anything like that...

So wait, you mean Zombies aren't coming? WTF

Awesome

Location is nailed down, not going to post it up here, but cannot wait for this class! Looks like about a 9am start time, so let's all try to get there a bit early and if it's nice out enjoy the day. I do not believe my boy and I from Cbus can stay for dinner, our wives both have other things going on and I have to then drive to groveport to get my kiddo so she can go to some stupid jewelry party. But that means I can take him to Vance's and buy him his first toy gun, or real gun, or both. I win.

What tuner is that?

I am trying something new with my F250(not to thread jack but come on, it's winter). Normally I run a tow tune with my summer wheels/tires and towing 1-2 weekends a month from April to Nov, then just keep the tow tune for the winter months after recalibrating for stock wheels/tires. This month and possibly longer I am going to run a canned tune that was preloaded on my tuner vs. a custom tune. I don't like to run a hot tune like my street or hott street during the cold months, but wanted just a tad more than my custom tow. I was averaging right around 15-16 with my summer wheels/tires, lifted, and custom tow tune, really hoping to up that even with winter fuel blends. Unless I am spending 30 minutes warming my truck up before work, so hopefully the block heater does it's job again this winter.

I would do things to that bike that aren't even legal in 3rd world countries. I will start by licking it.

Please no.

My friend that works at Honda has some similar degree/post schooling and worked for Nasa in CLE and then got transfered to KY and then took a job with Honda. Said he prefers Honda over the others, and dude makes bank. Wife has never worked a day in their lives, he has had 3 houses built, 1 in each area, and the new one in Marysville is unreal. Then his toys, quads, a dune buggy, all new cars, man cave that makes my living room look like a dump. Takes all kinds of trips for hunting, boating(he has a boat forgot), etc. Good luck hope you make it like he did.

And you can get these prices all day long in MI if you're willing to travel and have no option for A or X plan pricing. The dealer by our cottage in West Bloomfield constantly has XLT SCSBs for under 35K, not like 1-2, but like 20-30 at a time. They have been soliciting my dad for months to trade his free/clear F150 in, but no point since it's not costing anything at all to keep driving. IF I were in the market there is no truck I would buy besides an F150, yeah I am a Ford guy, but in the end, I would regardless when comparing financing, prices, options, and motors for MPG. The thing I HATE about Dodge and Chevy is they always quote the mpg for 2x4 with the V6 motor, nothing else. Read the fine print on all their ads, but in real life a truck with any power will not get that mpg of those 2 brands. There in lies the Ecoboost, which if setup correctly(blue0636) and driven somewhat normal, you will see 19-22mpg all day long, with a 4x4 package. The only trucks I would possibly entertain would be the Dodge or Chevy's with the ecodiesels, but I can only guess what the prices are on those.

Believe that tickles the taint while cornering low. Just what I heard at least.

I have a cheap Stanley one I got at Menards. Wife uses it to clean up cat puke and litter in the basement(yes I am serious). 2 years, no rust, and trust me, it isn't emptied often. I love the filter replacement, it's a canister filter that you just unscrew and replace. My dad has the same one for his show car, so doesn't really see any moisture etc. but it works flawless and I would bet my mom has used it for some stuff that brought in moisture and he doesn't empty it often either.

They are supposed to have the Eco-Diesel as an option and I think they told that motor to go F itself after costing a ton of $$ for them... At least I hope they did. It never worked in the H3, not sure whey they tried it in the Colorado/Canyon.