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That I think we can all agree on.

In all honesty, I'm starting to see the draw of buying guns for investment vehicles. Since the cycles are retardedly easy to predict, and the demand is so easily manipulated into a buying frenzy, I can understand how there is money to be made on this. The risk is still crazy high (to me) since the market is essentially governed by someone signing their name onto a piece of paper vs. normal supply/demand curves, but I understand.

Really, playing the "blame the victim" card already, eh? You're inferring that people don't normally listen to music at a gas station, and that's unusual behavior? Just because you sit in silence, doesn't mean the rest of the population does. So does "protecting your kids" entail opening fire on me just because I gave you some sass when you asked me to turn my stuff down? No one is forcing you to be there, and if my actions or my music, dickheaded as they may be, are offending you in a personal and legal matter then I suggest you protect your kids by removing them from the situation instead of escalating it further. And what does that mean, "An old man that acts crazy, ask yourself, is it worth it?" Just because your making a scene automatically means I have to bend to your will? Not everyone is as scared of the rappity-rap as you, Grandpa. I'll grant you that the kids that were bumpin' this were probably doing so at retarded levels totally oblivious to everyone around them. But for a 5 minute fill-up until you remove yourself from the situation anyway, ask yourself, is it worth it?

Of course it has, people who can't seem to be bothered to do any critical thinking or independent research keep reposting it along with whatever the latest derp is from sites like Infowars. I must have missed the part where being a member of the Special Ops meant you had special insight into the political process. I understand you were a member, but give me a break. You and the currently serving soldiers are no better informed about this than the rest of us (I'd even venture to say less informed, since you seem to be defending something that's been easily debunked) Citation needed. And Bush II had 171 in that time span. That means approximately fuck-all. Once again, please, for the love of FSM, read something that's not from Infowars, WND, or whatever "right wing sites" that keep fomenting this shit, and stop hand-wringing about the big Lib boogeyman that's going to personally steal your gun after he shoots your dog and forces you to get a physical for free with universal health care.

I don't even own *a* gun, let alone many guns which would necessitate the use of a gun rack.

What's the problem? Get a memo title and a bill of sale, and (provided it's got valid tags from the previous owner), that should be more than enough to tide you over until the PO does what he needs to do to release the LIENS (english, motherfuckers) and transfer the title to you.

Excellent, I'll be around.

Here we go again. Honestly, is doing a shred of independent research that hard, or are you so fat and happy being spoonfed info from your fearmongering sources that you've lost any semblance of independent thought?

18.5 inches, thought I had that somewhere, my bad.

Forget it, the derp brigade has already arrived.

Got a Remington 870, have no need for this boomstick. I've put 20-30 rounds through this thing and it had a weird issue of racking on a empty tube, so I sent it back to Stoeger and got it back today. Issues gone, I have all documentation, did a few cycles with 2 3/4in ammo tonight and no problems at all. Everything looks brand new, blued finish is perfect all around. This thing sat in my closet as a home defense weapon for all its life. Here's a stock pic of the shotgun Stoeger P-350 Capacity is 4+1 with 2 3/4in ammo. If you are buying it outright, I'm selling for $250. I'll look at trades for a pistol like a Walther P22 or PF9. I'm willing to kick in some cash, but not a lot.

What you got in the realm of furniture for a Remington 870? I gots me one of those Ohio Highway Patrol cast-offs, and am looking to tacticool it up a little.

I think it can be reasonably argued that if you had it in your cart/basket, that constitutes intent to buy that item. If someone else steals it from your cart, there's a material damage of you not being able to purchase that item, and something you can sue over. Now, as far as the fucksticks go, I can see your point about inciting a "panic", however all you're doing (as the corporation) is having a sale. Your activities aren't illegal, there's nothing violent or nefarious going on, you're offering wares to people at "special" prices. If these people decide to completely come off the rails and riot, which under normal circumstances (like the other 364 days a year) does not happen, then how do you prove liability on the company side? They can put up reasonable safeguards like the wristband thing that BBY did, but if these people want to be crazy, they're going to be crazy.

I know, right! It's laughably predictable, yet here we are.

Methinks your hyperbole ran away from you a little here.

These are easy, you just aren't thinking like a wingnut. Power would be an interesting idea. Mayhaps RON PAUL would like to make another go? I honestly would have no idea, all I do know is it would get ugly very quickly. I think they would largely adopt the current constitution, with revisions, of course. You can bet that gay marriage and abortion would be outlawed, and I would imagine the Flat-Taxers and Fair-Taxers would spar with the Tea-Partiers over taxation rates, also to be delineated in their constitution. I would imagine there would be a hearty helping of God and religion in there as well, so you can forget being a non-WASP. I'd expect the debate over how illegal abortion should be to be pretty fierce, but I think the rape/incest/health of mother exceptions would lose to the more radical elements. In short, I'd expect their constitution to be a small book by the time they're done. We'd secure those borders just like any other, put up checkpoints and border crossings at the major road crossings and start CBP patrols along the shared border, in preparation for a fence to be built later. I'd expect a pretty severe exodus from Texas, as all the non-crazies flee. There would be a influx of people into Texas to replace them, but I suspect they would lose a significant portion of their labor pool and braintrust. Passports: Yes. Dual citizenship? Maybe, depends on what their criteria for citizenship is, and how cool the US is with the separation. Military? Yes, they still have all state-owned paramilitaries like the Sheriff's Department, local SWAT teams/police forces. Expect the US to recall all National Guard troops, but there might be a few that go AWOL to stay in Texas. If you were a federal employee before the change, you probably ain't one now.

I've heard this argument before. Something along the lines of "if it's not expressly delineated in the Constitution, it automatically defers to the states?" The whole point of legal precedent is to fill in the gaps of things that aren't expressly delineated in the Constitution, that's why you can fit the Constitutional text on a few sheets of looseleaf paper where the law books would take an entire wall. Continuing this hypothetical, their whole approach of a peaceful transfer starts to fall apart the second that they start on what the US would consider a illegal act per Texas v White. When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.

Eventually? I'd say they're pretty much there. Texas v White is the final arbiter of the Texas secession argument.

It was a combination of the temper tantrum shown by those petitions, massive hypocrisy, and the fact that I was up until 3:30AM. Still though, it does make for an interesting thought experiment, a modern-day civil war (because you know either side ain't going peacefully)

No. They want to be bootstrappy, tri-corner hat wearing, Texas Forever yelling rednecks, then they can be all the way bootstrappy. No relationship with US infrastructure. They can pay a up-front fee for all the current infrastructure they have, then we start chopping inbound fiber cables and power grids. Inter-country communications are hashed out through international treaties, which they would then have to forge. Oh yeah, and the National Guard and active duty military's coming with us too, same with CBP, ICE, all Federal field offices such as FBI, EPA, FEMA, DHS, TSA. All air traffic would effectively cease to the seceded country until they can prove they have a effective method of security, so the only way to get to Texas via air would be through Mexico. How ironic. Then there's the currency upheaval, the new country would have to start denominating and printing it's own money, which since this is a brand new nation-state with effectively zero credit, should probably be backed by something at least for the short term (and it's what the RON PAULians want anyway), so better start stocking up on gold. Of course, this all ignores the very real probability that even if the US agreed to part ways with Texas, there is absolutely no way that the US would part with strategic assets such as the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (2/4 sites are in Texas, with a combined 414 million barrels of oil), strategically important refineries, ports, airbases, stuff like that. In short, it makes for an interesting thought experiment, but at the end of the day this is just another butthurt conservative having a temper tantrum about the election, and channeling his inner 4 year old in response. He is, quite simply, a dog chasing cars. What would he do if Obama trolled the hell out of him and agreed?

Tactical supply shop, you say? No conflict of interest there. Someone at Vance's tried to use the UN scare tactic on me, saying that "he didn't know if I would even be able to get a 870 with the UN thing going on." My response was "well, why the hell did you agree to take the OHP contract to sell them then?" It amazes me that so many people allow themselves to be swallowed in by the paranoia and hysteria. You HAVE to be at least somewhat cognizant of the fact that you're now buying firearms and ammo at insane markups, when you could just wait a couple of months until the supply chain returns to normal after the holidays and buy them for a normal price.

Just because you use caps lock, doesn't make it any less false than the last guy who posted it.

Hey man, whatever helps you sleep better at night. Willful ignorance is a terrible thing.

As the son of a (now happily retired) operating engineer, I feel I can intelligently say that the microcosm of construction "job creation" you're latching onto isn't indicative of the whole picture. Construction jobs are cyclical, seasonal (in Ohio, at least), and quasi-temporary by their very nature. Something needs built, hire on the people to build it, it gets built, people go away. The only "permanent" jobs in the construction field are the sales guys and management, the rest are brought in as necessary. That's why the union was so beneficial to us, they knew where my Dad was, they knew his skillset, and they knew if he was already on the job or not. If he wasn't and they needed him, he got the call. Something a little more appropriate to your analogy would be a lowly BMV worker. Population goes up in a certain area, lines become even more soul-crushingly longer than usual, fees rise with population to the point where a new employee can be hired with the extra overhead, lines become less mind-searingly long, everyone is that much happier, and new employee person has money in their pocket to be a productive member of society. Easy-peasy.

Somewhere between zero and fuck-all.