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  6. bank of america anti-gun!

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    I thought it was illegal to bring a.gun into a bar in ohio unless its a bar/grill? I also thought it was illegal to carry if you have been drinking? Not saying ur drinking, as you just said EAT. Am I incorrect? I mean obviously if you dont flash it and no one is the wiser no one gives a fuck and its not a big deal, but I mean if someone notices a gun on someone that has been drinking and decides to call the cops cant they lose their cwc and/or the gun and get fined/jailed?

    :nono: In Ohio, you can carry a concealed handgun (with permit of course) into a establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises, a class D liquor license, as long as you do not consume an alcoholic beverage. It can be a bar, bar/grill or restaurant, there is no difference. Now if the establishment posts a sign that states they don't want firearms on the premises, that trumps the law and it's illegal to carry even if you don't drink any alcohol.

    Some people go to bars not to drink, such as designated drivers.

    2923.121 Possession of firearm in beer liquor permit premises - prohibition, exceptions.

    (A) No person shall possess a firearm in any room in which any person is consuming beer or intoxicating liquor in a premises for which a D permit has been issued under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code or in an open air arena for which a permit of that nature has been issued.

    (B)(1) This section does not apply to any of the following:

    (a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or to a law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry firearms and is acting within the scope of the officer’s, agent’s, or employee’s duties;

    (b) Any person who is employed in this state, who is authorized to carry firearms, and who is subject to and in compliance with the requirements of section 109.801 of the Revised Code, unless the appointing authority of the person has expressly specified that the exemption provided in division (B)(1)(b) of this section does not apply to the person;

    © Any room used for the accommodation of guests of a hotel, as defined in section 4301.01 of the Revised Code;

    (d) The principal holder of a D permit issued for a premises or an open air arena under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code while in the premises or open air arena for which the permit was issued if the principal holder of the D permit also possesses a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the principal holder under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued to the principal holder by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code and as long as the principal holder is not consuming beer or intoxicating liquor or under the influence of alcohol or a drug of abuse, or any agent or employee of that holder who also is a peace officer, as defined in section 2151.3515 of the Revised Code, who is off duty, and who otherwise is authorized to carry firearms while in the course of the officer’s official duties and while in the premises or open air arena for which the permit was issued and as long as the agent or employee of that holder is not consuming beer or intoxicating liquor or under the influence of alcohol or a drug of abuse.

    (e) Any person who is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued to the person by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code , as long as the person is not consuming beer or intoxicating liquor or under the influence of alcohol or a drug of abuse.

    (2) This section does not prohibit any person who is a member of a veteran’s organization, as defined in section 2915.01 of the Revised Code, from possessing a rifle in any room in any premises owned, leased, or otherwise under the control of the veteran’s organization, if the rifle is not loaded with live ammunition and if the person otherwise is not prohibited by law from having the rifle.

    (3) This section does not apply to any person possessing or displaying firearms in any room used to exhibit unloaded firearms for sale or trade in a soldiers’ memorial established pursuant to Chapter 345. of the Revised Code, in a convention center, or in any other public meeting place, if the person is an exhibitor, trader, purchaser, or seller of firearms and is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing, trading, purchasing, or selling the firearms.

    © It is an affirmative defense to a charge under this section of illegal possession of a firearm in a liquor permit premises that involves the possession of a firearm other than a handgun, that the actor was not otherwise prohibited by law from having the firearm, and that any of the following apply:

    (1) The firearm was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes, while the actor was engaged in or was going to or from the actor’s lawful business or occupation, which business or occupation was of such character or was necessarily carried on in such manner or at such a time or place as to render the actor particularly susceptible to criminal attack, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed.

    (2) The firearm was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes, while the actor was engaged in a lawful activity, and had reasonable cause to fear a criminal attack upon the actor or a member of the actor’s family, or upon the actor’s home, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed.

    (D) No person who is charged with a violation of this section shall be required to obtain a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code as a condition for the dismissal of the charge.

    (E) Whoever violates this section is guilty of illegal possession of a firearm in a liquor permit premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, illegal possession of a firearm in a liquor permit premises is a felony of the fifth degree. If the offender commits the violation of this section by knowingly carrying or having the firearm concealed on the offender’s person or concealed ready at hand, illegal possession of a firearm in a liquor permit premises is a felony of the third degree.

    (F) As used in this section, “beer” and “intoxicating liquor” have the same meanings as in section 4301.01 of the Revised Code.

    Amended by 129th General Assembly File No. 34, SB 17, § 1, eff. 9/30/2011.

    Effective Date: 04-08-2004; 03-14-2007; 2008 SB184 09-09-2008

  8. 3 Ohio OVI = lose your ride

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    Alot of things the law requires is stupid, if they can make self driving cars than why not.this? The shut off would work more/less like the breathalyzer and I know the theory has a couple flaws, but there are ways.around this. This is 100% possible if someone put the time into it. WE CAN reduce bad choices drivers make like eating, reading, talking, texting, drinking(alcohol) and whatnot. People will still have enough time to.take a quick drink or smoke a cig(just cant hang hand out the windown)

    I know most people like to hang a arm out the window, maybe that could be one of the sensor places, but as redicilous as you may think this sounds its not impossible and could save lives, now as far as convenience goes thats another story...

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    And this os about gun control but still relevant:

    To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding.

    The issue is that we don't hold people accountable for their actions. We allow excuses and have become so soft that people don't learn from their mistakes. We allow people to get off nearly scott free and so they do it again and again. Then they pass this off to their kids and the kids grow up learning that is not their fault but everyone else's.

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  22. bank of america anti-gun!

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    Not at all. For the last few years we (and by we I mean primarily but not exclusively Occupy Wall Street) have been SCREAMING that large banks are literally bleeding you (and by you I mean both individuals and small business, but mainly individuals) dry with fees, charges, unnecessary overdrafts, shady processing algorithms, the list goes on and on. All the while, we've been pointing towards an entire market of smaller banks without these fees/charges, who actually give a shit about their customers, some even engage in profit-sharing, offer better rates, and are overall a better experience both on you as a consumer and the local bank.

    Our response from the conservative (I hate to lump everyone together like this, but let's call a spade a spade here) crowd? Paraphrased, I think it went something like "goddamn socialist hippies!"

    Now that a large national bank has terminated dealings with a firearms affiliated business, the response from that crowd (just judging from the comments of the article) is now something like OMFG WHAT THE FUCKITY FUCK!1!!1111!!

    Personally, if it were up to me, Brian Moynihan (CEO of BoA) can eat a super-sized bag of dicks while surrendering half of his profits to the SEC on trading and banking violations on top of all the other bullshit that went down in 2008/09, and that goes double for Citi, Goldman, and all the rest of the bigun's. I merely find it interesting that the people that are blowing up won't move their bank accounts when it's in their own economic self-interest to do so, yet when someone even peripherally touches on their guns, all hell seems to break loose.

    So instead of complaining why not be happy that another reason has been found that appeals to another group of people?

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  23. bank of america anti-gun!

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    "They don't want to play with us anymore, so we're not gonna play with their friends, and we're gonna tell all of our friends not to play with them either"
    Of the Mount-fucking-Everest pile of reasons to switch from national, too-big-to-fail banks to community banks/CU, you had to find the one firearm related excuse. My hat's off to you sir, your consistency is truly legendary.

    And hey, if this gets more people out of BoA/Chase/Huntington/Citi/et al, then more power to y'all.

    Wait. Its ok for the bank to not do business because of a firearm related issue, but for an individual customer to not do business with thethe bank due to a firearm issue you have a problem with?

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