i agree with don, I also pulled this from the triumph forum, and made me chuckle a bit I was at an outdoor cafe this afternoon where bikes typically parked backed- in to the curb. There are tables along the front windows of the restaurant, about eight feet from the curb. As I was backing in, two Gay Pirates on their Hardly Abelsons were preparing for departure- snugging up fingerless gloves, straightening the tassles on their grips and checking for purposeful grimaces in their mirrors. When they started their mighty V-twins, the look on the diner's faces was amazing- the sound level was almost painful, and immediately increased as these two clowns revved the bikes, dogs freaking out, a kid crying, just awful. Of course no one could hear the Sprint (stock system) over the racket. Later when I was suiting up to leave, a woman asked if I would mind moving away from the curb before I started my bike. I was happy to do so since these folks were so alienated by the HD boys. When I rolled away so I was parallel to the building and started up, she came over and thanked me, and asked "why were those others so loud? I had no response to offer.. denoose