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Oh yeah... What did you expect?

Meh. Ryan took a pic for his FB page. You'll have to settle for that if he posts it.

Excellent service! Came out to where I work and swapped out both my tires. Great price, friendly, knowledgeable. Arrived on time, finished on time. Perfect. Thanks Ryan!

Depends on many factors. What type of holster and where? Where Martin's legs tight around Zimmerman's waist? Was he in low mount (martin's butt on zimmerman's belly) or high mount (martin's knees under zimmermans armpits)? Was Martin punching (therefore not trapping zimmerman's arms, leaving him free to draw)? I would still say I would expect the bullet to have an upwards trajectory (at least until it hit bone). The upwards trajectory would be very telling because it woud be inconsistent with them both standing.

The Jockstrap O'Death is back in style -for this week at least. I added a laser sight to the bersa and it won't fit in my IWB holster any more, but the JOD fits it fine. Will have to run up to blackwing and get a new IWB this weekend.

You first. I think I have a micrometer you can borrow.

Wow. Scratch that. The 2' wall panel tha I measured by arm against turns out to not be 2'. I just measured again (using an 8.5"x11" sheet of letter-sized paper) and got 30". Meh, what difference does 6" make? :ky: Still, we can all agree that 36" is not "Half an arm's length"

Someone earlier asked why the round hadn't been ejected. I pointed out that the police report states the round *had* been ejected and was found using a metal detector.

That would make you 7 and a half feet tall, dude. I'm 6'2 and my arms are 24" armpit to fingertip. Brass isn't picked up by metal detectors? Erm, of course it is. Are you confusing metal detectors with magnets? http://whiteselectronics.com/info/faqs.html#3

Come over to our dojo and roll with some of our jujitsu guys. Any one of them can easily overpower and choke you in seconds, and a choke that is held for can obviously kill. I hope you don't think that an unarmed person can't kill someone...

it says "within 36 inches", not "exactly 36 inches". Who came up with 36"? Is that what the autopsy said? OR did the autopsy say "intermediate range" and a reporter looked up that "intermediate range is anything from 6" to 36" and just said "within 36"? 36" would be inconsistent with shooting someone who has you in the mount position. I would expect between 6" and 18"

I read the full police report. The spent round WAS ejected and was found using a metal detector. The pistol has a 7+1 capacity and the evidence inventory accounts for every round as 1 spent cartridge, 6 live rounds in the magazine and 1 loose live round that was in the chamber at the time the pistol was secured and made safe by SPD. How long are your arms? I'm 6'2" and my arms outstreched sideways are about that same distance fingertip to fingertip. That means 3' is about from my fingertip to the my sternum if my arm is stretched out sideways. Certainly not "half an arm's length". One of the witnesses stated (in the police report) that Martin had Zimmerman "mounted MMA style". That would give you about 2' distance diagonally sternum-to-sternum. I didn't read the full autopsy yet - but I would expect a shot fired from the the person on the floor that strikes the chest of the person above would be travelling in an upwards trajectory front to back.

21 feet is considered the distance at which a man who has a knife in his hand should be drawn on - as he can close the distance and stab you before you can draw and fire.

Anyone who knows anything about knife fighting knows that a slice is more deadly than a stab.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx Abut 3 weeks ago...

Century martial arts is still around. A lot of my sparring gear is from them.

Unless i am confused, this is not news. The M1 import ban was a couple years ago, right?

Obama won the popular vote by 18 million. That's a shitload of smurfs. (Do these smurfs have state-issued IDs, without which they could not vote?)

This entire thread is a condemnation of Obama based upon scaremongering that he'll do any or all of the things Gump quoted. In reality, the only gun-related legislation he has signed was to loosen restriction (national park carry). I'm not saying he doesn't WANT to - I'm saying he doesn't have the political support to do so, and he's fully cognizant of how Clinton crapped on the Dems in '94 and cost them congress. Obama himself has stated while supporting a new AWB, he's not actively pursuing one. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/04/president-ob-17/ There are many reasons to criticize Obama. This is not one of them - this is scaremongering.

Why did you put quotes around the word elected? Do you have any basis to argue his election was not legitimate? You may suspect or believe he will introduce anti-gun legislation - but that doesn't mean we should all send a week's pay to Rand Paul every time he goes "GUN BAN!! OOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE"

Ironically, anti-gunners are complaining that Obama is not going to implement an assault weapon ban: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/05/obama-puts-silencer-assault-weapons-ban Can't find any news on a new hi-cap mag ban, or any new national standards for ccw. Can anyone else help me? Given Obama's history on gun legislation, I'd say he's actually doing a pretty bad job of furthering the anti-gunners' agenda. Clinton gave us the Brady bill, the list of 50 guns prohibited from import, the S&W lawsuit (that forced S&W into providing mandatory external & internal gun locks and ballistic fingerprinting). And let's not forget the '94 Assault Weapon Ban which is widely credited for the loss of Democrat control of congress at the midterms. Obama would be scuttling the Democratic ship if he introduced anything on the scale of the AWB, and he knows it. That's probably why he's been so ineffective on gun control.

So what of the remaining claims? - National concealed carry rules that would be effectively too tough for anyone to comply with - New assault weapon and shotgun ban - Hi-capacity magazine ban - Effective Ban on private sales These claims are apparently unsubstantiated?

Dire and hysterical predictions of anti-gun laws coming down the pike attached to a request for hundreds of dollars in donations? No, no bias there at all...

Does anyone have access to the police report or a name/link that we can search on OSU PD or FCMC?

I wonder how well that move would work if the guy didn't intentionally lift her weight up onto his shoulder with his right arm under her waist?