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Major lack of ground clearance too.

From an article on AOL headlines:

Article indicates a Glock 19 with extended mags used in shooting,

Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun SalesJan 9, 2011 – 3:35 PM

Lisa Holewa

Contributor

Jared Loughner's behavior was so disturbing, he was forced to withdraw from community college classes last fall, told he could return only with a mental health evaluation showing he "does not present a danger to himself or others."

He tried to enlist in the Army in 2008 but was rejected as unqualified. And those who knew him described him to reporters as a "troubled young man" who frequently had such unusual outbursts that no one even wanted to sit next to him in class.

But, according to The Washington Post, on Nov. 30, Loughner legally purchased the Glock 19 semiautomatic pistol that law enforcement officials say he used to shoot U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords at an event Saturday outside a busy supermarket in Tucson, Ariz., killing one of her aides, a federal judge, a 9-year-old girl and three retirees.

And that has revived the debate about gun ownership laws throughout the nation, but particularly in Arizona, which has some of the weakest gun control laws in the country. State laws there permit any law-abiding citizen over age 18 to buy a gun.

"At some point we need to ask the question: How did this man with this history of mental instability end up with this weapon," Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said on CNN's "State of the Union" today.

"How did he go through the process and end up with this gun and this ammunition?"

Federal law enforcement officials told the Post that the semiautomatic pistol was fitted with a magazine that held about 30 bullets, and that Loughner had another magazine that held about 30 bullets, as well as two others that each held about 15 bullets.

Reese Widmier, manager of the Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson, confirmed to the Post that the gun was sold by the store Nov. 30.

Loughner did pass the federally required background check, Widmier told the newspaper.

Dr. Park Dietz, a forensics psychiatrist, told AOL News today that gun control laws make it difficult to determine whether someone is mentally stable enough to purchase a gun.

"He's old enough to buy it on his own because there was no way to determine this was a mentally ill person," Dietz said. "The only thing the existing law does about that is quite absurd. The ATF form asks if you have ever been adjudicated mentally ill," he said in reference to the federal Bureau of Acohol Tobacco and Firearms.

Dietz noted that he once had law students visit 25 people on a ward for the criminally insane who had been adjudicated dangerously mentally ill, asking them whether they had been adjudicated dangerously mentally ill.

"They all said no, while sitting on the ward," Dietz told AOL News.

"In some states the instant background check does include a search of computer records of who has been committed as dangerously mentally ill but it is quite inconsistent around the country whether they do it or how complete the information is."

Arizona does not have a waiting period unless something is flagged during the instant check.

However, the debate in Arizona is far from simple. Giffords herself is a long-time gun owner who has described herself as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. And despite the lack of restrictions on gun purchases and ownership in Arizona, not everyone agrees that the laws should be toughened.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said on "Fox News Sunday" today that the shootings are "unrelated" to Arizona's gun laws: "The weapons don't kill people, it's the individual that kills people."

On NBC's "Meet the Press," Rep. Raul Labrador also said changes in gun laws are not the answer, but the answer lies with each individual who owns a gun.

"I don't know if it's the gun laws that make a difference," the Idaho Repubican said.

However, Arizona's Democratic Rep. Raul Grijalva, on the same program, said: "Gun laws have to be examined."

Sponsored LinksAnd New York Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, whose husband was killed and son wounded in 1993 when a deranged gunman opened fire on a Long Isand Rail Road train, said the shootings show exactly why laws should be tightened.

"This is clearly an illustration of why we must all work together to fight gun violence in America and keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of the wrong people," she said in a statement.

Giffords' Republican challenger to office during the last election, Jesse Kelly, who was pictured on his campaign website in military gear, holding his automatic weapon, did not blame gun laws or political rhetoric for the rampage.

"Arizona is a state where people are firearms owners," he told The Associated Press after Saturday's shooting. "This was just a deranged individual."

I would think there would be an ATF or CSI or something kinda website for this?

That is probably how it went.

the Z gives me the creepz

I am sure this is a legit site, but why have Z at the end of the website name instead of an S?

New ideas for the next Magsfest?

Holy crap! Is that a Range Rover?

The lawyers will get a nice cut out of the settlement. I am not greedy, I would be happy with 1/38th Quadrillion.

Nice quote "Apparently hoping to either (a) send a message, (b) set the new record for largest demand ever made in a lawsuit, © be awarded all of the money that may exist in the galaxy, in whatever human or alien denominations may be available, or (d) all of the above, Dalton Chiscolm sued Bank of America in August for "1,784 billion, trillion dollars

Alien Demomination? What is the exchange rate?

Old TV show from back in the day called ALF. From Alf's planet, gold was a worthless metal. The pluming in his spacecraft was made out of gold.

^^^ im with him. This is just more ammo for the gun haters. Who wants to take bets on the guns used.. extended mags, im thinking glock.

I am thinking Glock as well, possibly 33 round mag?

The end result will be that the media will draw the conclusion that guns are bad in the hands of people.

Whatever issues or state of mind of the shooter was in at the time will get overlooked.

A bit too far south for me to make it after work and then a drive there/ have dinner / drive back during the week.

Dang, what is up with people? I dont know anything about this person or her views on anything, but really?

Welcome new guy! These other haters just dont understand the coolness of the Katana. I had a 1990 Katana 600 for a few years. Great bike for me. Affordable, cheap on the insurance. Just some ( ok most) people dont think they count as a "real" motorcycle. Stick around long enough and you will hear of this Coshocton Katana curse.

Dang you Gen3, that would have made a nice track bike. Event that SV in the earlier link looked nice. At this point, anything made new then 1982 850 would be sweet

Is that a herpe on her lip?

adding music to this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLoyhJC9xo8

Here is another thought too.

My safe has the 4 predrilled holes on the bottom for lagging to the floor. I did not use any type of sealer on the bolts when i ran them through. Kinda defeats the waterproof part of the safe?

I think i might look for some type of RTV sealer that has some sort of fire protection to seal the area around the bolts?

I would not expect the safe to survive being totally underwater, but if somehow the was a small flood on the same level as the safe ( water line leak, hole in roof or water from fire dept hose)?

You should teach him/her sign language. Stuff like food, drink, please, thank you... We did this with Brooke and it made it soooo much easier to understand what she wanted until she learned to talk. I have a DVD or three for this. Let me know if you'd like to borrow it.

Might work well as Carie is on the couch "resting" and sign language-ing while you are in the kitchen, if you both knew the signs. At least you know Carrie will be your DD for Buddies.

Congrats on the youngin'

In my personnal car, driving on 271 (Cleveland area) normal driving position, = right hand at 12 oclock, left hand on headlight switch flashing it to get the f out the way.

In work vehicle or travel for work, posted speed limit, maybe 2 or 3 over.

Just for some numbers, an entry level .22 LR rifle from a store like Dick's Sporting Goods can cost as little as $99 to $150. Can either be a bolt action or semi auto for the same entry level price. Look at brands like Savage, Marlin and Remington. Good thing you did not ask about engine oil.

Glad it all went smooth for you

Welcome to the site. I have friends in Coldwater, on the other side of the track.

Dibs on the Camo snuggie when we win choice of prizes:

PM sent to Jagr

if i cant get my FEG extractor issue resolved, I am getting a used Glock 17

I am working on getting a Glock 17, but thanks .....