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When it comes to taking guns who is going to do it? If you really think about it most military and law enforcement LOVE guns. The ones that don't know how crazy it would be to try and take them. Over regulation is what we have to worry about but I doubt they'd push their luck right now.

It's still federally illegal.

There's a limiter?

According to the speedo, I've had it up to around 85. I backed off because I was approaching traffic. I'm afraid to press it beyond that. That's fast for me. It was on the freeway on the way to work one chilly morning. I was hoping air friction would warm me up and overcome the wind chill. It didn't work.

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Then I doubt you'd have trouble controlling your throttle on a bigger bike.

Have you ever been in an old folks home? Ask one of those guys what they'd do with a fat hooker? Of you think the answers going to be play cards and sip prune juice. The real answers would give you nightmares. Old people are down with the Jiggle and wiggle although its more of a sag and sway.

And while I agree that these are adults who should be able to handle their own shit, neither does.

Wife's boss is 28 going on 17, and my friend (god love him) has a long history of destructive relationships, including the marriage he's still in the process of dissolving. Wife's boss is 2 months out of a multi year relationship as well. She's banged 4 guys (that we know about) in the last 2 months.

It's like I'm living in a sexually charged middle school.

Then the answer to all the problems is, HOOKERS AND BLOW AND AN ORGY. Just make sure the Hookers are the hot politician call girl types. Not the street level missing teeth negotiate for a BJ type.

What's the fastest you've taken your current bike to? Was it to the limiter?

Not sure how they conflict. First says they're no longer selling automobiles in the States. Second says they'll continue selling their motorcycles, quads, etc. which aren't automobiles.

I see. Lol. That was a result of being up all night. I lumped motorcycles in as automobiles. And the bankrupt thing threw me off like imprez stated.

Obama should bail them out!

Didn't he build the car companies along with the nations highway system and bridges?

If you offer your top dollar and he says no you have no room to haggle. Chances are he won't take your first offer. That's how haggling works.

ASMC will wind down and discontinue new automobile sales in the continental U.S. The Company has determined the best path to achieve this realignment in an efficient and orderly manner is to restructure its operations under chapter 11.

The Company will continue to bring ASMC products to market, including its full lineup of sportbike, cruiser, touring, scooter, dualsport, motocross, off-road motorcycles and KingQuad ATV line, as well as its flagship DF300AP, state-of-theart DF20A, and DF15A, among other models.

I may just be tired but do these statements from above conflict each other?

Also +1 on the samurai, get drunk enough and find a small enough object and you've got a monster truck.

Not sure about that, not when the choppa can break 200mph in midair! That seems a larger liability doesn't it? Especially considering the cost differential of the vehicles/licensing/training - although there's a lot more to hit on the ground than in the air, so I'm willing to concede your point here:D

1 chopper in an area with no speed limit is different than a bike on the ground. The chopper pilots normally are already trained when they apply and have several hours of flight time.

Baffles punched out lmao. My guess was this bike has been treated like a fat old hooker already. Offer less I bet he takes $1,000.

My first bike was a Honda cbr 450f 1976. Rode that for a couple months and bought a 2000 suzuki intruder 1400cc. Rode that for a year and traded it for a 2007 cbr 1000rr.

I'd buy the bike you really want and respect that right hand control.

Bottom line, pay what you want to pay. If your willing to pay 3x the value do it. If your willing to pay half offer that. It's what you really want to pay. I'd offer a little less then my top dollar and go from there.

For my top dollar I'd 1. Find out the real reason he's selling it. 2. What's the value nada and kbb. 3 how much its going to cost to drive how ever miles to get it and come back. 4 subtract cost to pick up from value there's my offer.

But that's just me.

If he thinks he can get 9 at the dealer then he probably won't do less than that. Also make sure you can pay the maintenance for a Duc. Have you priced how much that'll cost to go to a reputable Duc tech?

I think it'd be more cost effective to buy closer. Because he's also going to have to pay two way for gas which will come out of his total profit. Where's as he can spend a little bit on gas to the dealer and wait for it to sell. If he's not desperate your not going to get a great deal after time and money and wear and tear to get it. If you jump at the first deal you see you'll probably feel screwed in the end.

After seeing the pics I'm guessing it needs re jetted due to pipes and maybe air filter mods if he had it warmed up. Offer 1k worst he can do is stand firm.

Checked it out over the weekend. It's in good shape, rash on one pipe and the brake handle from a drop. Took it up and down the street, ok power but nothing like what I'm used to. One red flag: the owner had it warmed up when I got there. He came down to $1300 when I asked if he was firm on the price. A quick nada search shows its worth $1050 in good condition, $2100 in very good. I would put it between those two conditions so maybe $1300 is fair, still gonna offer him $1100. He really wants it out of his garage.

Did it have stock or aftermarket pipes? May just be a bitch to cold start if its carbed and needs jets.

Ah, well 2nd trackday at a completely new-to-you facility is probably still overwhelming for any novice. Thats really cool he got you in and as cheap as it was, but some personalized instruction would've been key to helping you learn the circuit and proper lines/speeds/braking markers. You're a lucky guy to have friends like that. Thats a killer setup out there! Some of the track guys here can surely gift much more knowledge and help critique your riding/issues far better than I ever could, so once you get that vid put it up!

The next time that I go out I'll definitely seek more help. There are guys there that have a lot of knowledge about racing and are willing to help. One guy followed me around for a couple of laps. I thought he wanted to get around me coming onto the straight so I got to the inside coming out of a corner. He passed me slowed down and signaled for me to drop behind him so I did. We went around and he was pointing out the braking markers he uses an turn in points and that helped. Then he followed me for another lap gave me a thumbs up and was gone. When I came off the track I tried to find him but it was lunch time and everyone had switched out of their leathers so I couldn't find him to thank him. Then he switched back to the fast group so I didn't get to see him due to being on the track when he was off.

It was pretty intimidating at first with some of the guys that that were there and the amount of money some of the guys had. But after having lunch with them it helped break the ice and start talking to them. They had some cool stories.

I did get my suspension set by Evan of Evan Steel Performance the same guy that built bikes and worked on bikes for Holden and Yates last season. So that was pretty cool with how much knowledge these guys were willing to share.

Ummm, this link leads to my photos? At least it does for me

http://www.ohioriders.net/photo_popup.php?e=vB_Editor_QR#

The first 2 pics are the ones I took at the track day of my crew chief on my bike.

The facility promo video.

They took their prices off the internet so I can't show you that.

Here's a guy from another day with a pretty good run.

Here's a video from this weekend. It's the only one I've found uploaded so far but I'm not in it. I'll dig up so onboard shots from another day so you can see the track.

Quick thinking on your part for a first timer, good to hear nothing bad happened. And I wouldn't worry about poor racelines being your first venture, it's more important getting the fundamentals together with body position/smooth operation/keeping your head together in what you're doing. Learning more about the track is next time! Sounds like a win for sure and looking forward to the footage to darken my shade of envy-green:D

This was my 2nd time on a track but first time alone (not in a group) and on this bike.

Also people will be able to see how poor my positioning is, movement on the bike and how inconsistent my throttle control, braking, bliping, and entry/exit was. Some corners just flowed and had a great rhythm then there'd be a set that just felt all wrong. I kept hitting the apex's early either I was anxious or distracted by the apex markers that were out for the cars. I was going slow enough that I could tighten up the turns and had plenty of track left I could have used to get a better drive out of the corners but I was worried about getting in peoples way. But as my friend pointed out most of the guys there were WERA racers some with AMA experience who would have no problem getting around me whenever they wanted to.

The coolest part was Mike Bartz who used his membership to be able to get us on the track as guests invited me out for next month also. So I guess I didn't do too bad. Wanna talk about envy? That guy has a private garage at the track that I saw 2 track cars in and at least 6 bikes. I'll check the membership rates to see what they are running now just to give you an idea how much this guy is spending so he can do stuff like this.

True, true. My wife's uncle is a Dayton bike cop and he had to buy his own riding gear ( with exception of a dept issued helmet ), which I found ridiculous that they do not supply the proper safety gear.....but we are talking about big, dressed, Harleys so the speeds aren't too much of a concern I guess

I'd agree more with police sportbike units moreso than cruiser units, simply for the superior handling, power, and braking aspects. If the point is to allow police to pursue/maneuver where the 4 wheeled vehicles can't, why not give them a sportier platform to get the job done - afterall, a fully outfitted sportbike/sporttourer would be more cost efficient than a Harley of all things.......seems some cities/counties get that, but Dayton isn't one of them. Busa's and 14's would make killer OSP vehicles, but I'm assuming inclimate weather would put a damper on everyday use - as well as extensive training to ride them ( as with any motorcycle cops ) so it's probably a contigency within the planning of how often they can be used that decides if it's a viable option or not?

Just makes more sense to spend half as much on a liter bike loaded with badges/strobes/radar, imo; especially when money will be spent on vehicle specific training anyway:dunno:

All very true but remember the Trooper and cop who got in trouble for 150+ mph a couple years back. I doubt any agency really wants the liability of a 185 mph capable vehicle.