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got one!!!

The pics hard to see on my phone what'd ya get? What do you know about it?

It's .45 Colt, not Long Colt. All you've proven is that Bulkammo.com is wrong too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt

"The designation ".45 Long Colt", sometimes abbreviated as ".45 LC", originated among military personnel to prevent confusion with the shorter-cased .45 Schofield which was also used in .45 Colt SAA revolvers by the US military. It has become a popular, yet improper, name for the cartridge."

9mm is great defensive round, as is the 38sp. There's a lot more to being a defensive round besides pure ballistics. Like, what form factor is available for that cartridge, and if the cartridge choice itself lends to the likelihood that the user will be able to hit something. If you're flinching from the expected recoil from a .40 vs putting round after round .22 LR on target then the .22 LR is a better choice. I don't think the OP mentioned heading into any war zones.

I have a .380 that kicks harder than my .40, .45, and my wifes .410/45LC. I know of a shooting in Columbus with a .38sp where the guy was hit in the head and the bullet bounced off. A .40 would not have done that without breaking bone. The energy transfer of the bigger calibers is a lot greater than the smaller calibers. I still stand by the shot gun being way better either in the long form (870) or short ( taurus judge) than a regular round. If you take an inexperienced shooter and give them a .38 and stood them in front of a target the size of a pop can. Told them how to work the gun and aim then told them if they miss your going to punch them in the face. Then you do the same with a shotgun and I bet they fuck the can up more with the shotgun. I used to qual with the .38s when I worked at the prison. There were people that wouldn't even hit the paper of the torso targets we used but they would do great with the .870. Now the ODRC has switched to glock .40's.

I've also done training on how to skip shot a shotgun. It's a lot easier and predictable than a handgun round. Also the glorified 9 doesn't do shit to a bullet proof vest. A shotgun while it won't go through the vest will push the vest into the target.

I'm here come buy a gun

You spelled cum wrong.

that requires having something to compare it to!!!

Did you read the part about moose knuckle flooring?

well i'm just curious how he is going to verify?!?!

You just check to see if the carpet matches the drapes. If the flooring is bare moose knuckle you'll just have to wait till that moose starts growing some fur back on its knuckles.

You stand by what you believe, and I stand by what I believe. They will all kill ya eventually, but Zombies must be shot in the head. And how in the hell does your wife carry/conceal a Taurus Judge?

Either in her purse or the diaper bag, the ccw laws out here rock. All you have to be is a law abiding resident and you can carry concealed or open. It's nice to know most people are carrying. There's also a lot less of the no guns allowed signs.

If you care to read this former cop and current morgue workers take on the caliber debate it pretty much is the same as I feel about it.

http://www.gunthorp.com/Terminal%20Ballistics%20as%20viewed%20in%20a%20morgue.htm

To each their own but it does boil down to shot placement. The larger the caliber the larger the area for an effective shot. When shooting for real compared to practice its a lot harder to be accurate. So when the Original Poster said the gun would be for range and defense I suggested the shot guns. It's a lot easier to hit a target with the 9 rounds that come out of a 00 round then with 1 out of a smaller handgun round. Even with a range gun I prefer the shotgun due to its versatility the opportunity to shoot moving targets. But the OP is more into handguns apparently so the taurus judge is still my suggestion. It's what my wife carries because she's able to hit what she intends to easier. She does ok with my .45 but doesn't like the grip. She hates my .380 kel-tech because of the felt recoil due to the small size.

9mm horrible for defense? Really?

and by the way, there's no such thing as .45 long colt. It's .45 Colt. But yes, the cartridge is fairly long.

9mm is a great cartridge to for a first gun. It packs plenty of punch for defensive use without making you dread shooting it at the practice range.

But for beginner shooters that want a first pistol I almost always recommend a metal framed revolver chambered in .38 special. If this isn't going to be a gun you carry than get one with a longer barrel, 4-5 inches as these are far more accurate and don't recoil nearly as much. Revolvers are far less prone to failure, especially those caused by improper use. There are number of revolver options out there that fit the bill for under $500.

What's this stuff then?

http://www.bulkammo.com/handgun/bulk-.45-long-colt-ammo

It's the same thing they just call it by different names.

Have you ever used a gun in a stressed situation? If so how accurate were you? You cannot convince me a 9mm is a good round for defense situations. I carry a gun everyday not because its my right, my choice or it is cool I carry because I have to. My life is on the line I go with either an M4 or 870 as my primary depending on the area I'm working and an hk .40 as my secondary firearm. As there are other guns is prefer over the hk but we have to use what is issued to us. But I wouldn't do the job I do now with a 9mm or a .38. Hell even the ODRC has switched to .40 glocks over the S&W .38 and they rarely ever need to draw their firearm.

haha oh wow. i am def asking the right people.

mostly for targeting practice and home defense. dont really need to carry one around with me at all.

i've got really small hands but they are pretty strong. I shot a small .22 (i think) before and did awesome with it. it was like a toy. (hope that doesnt make me sound bad. haha)

and i'm not looking to spend a whole lot.

So now its just target practice? Go with .22 its cheap and accurate but its a totally different ballgame than the larger calibers.

A shotgun is good for target shooting because there are a lot of opportunities to shoot moving targets (more challenging) by shooting trap or skeet. It's a more useful gun target hunting and defense in 1 gun. If your not planning on carrying it why not. Try out a 20 gauge sometime the rounds are pretty cheap and can still stop the badguys. Or if you go to blackwing check out the guys shooting skeet out back. It's a lot of fun just don't let their snobby attitudes scare you off. Some trap and skeet shooters can be a little uppity but most are nice people and will help you out.

Yeah the .22 is a good round for a head headshot, but in a defense situation how likely is it that a new shooter is going to be able to get a headshot?. There have been multiple accounts where .38 rounds have hit the targets head and ricocheted (sp) off. It happened in Columbus when a corrections officer shot an inmate that was attempting to escape from OSU medical center. The stats for the 9mm round are probably beefed up by the gangster mentality of a nine being cool. While I was a corrections officer I knew multiple inmates that had been shot by a 9 and survived. Some even still had the lead in them. I didn't know any that survived being shot by a .40 or larger. Not that that means there aren't any just that there were more that would tell you about it if they were hit with a 9. All the training I have had has trained to shoot for center mass of the body not headshots. Partially due to liability and partially because the body is the larger easier to hit target. Being proficient shooting at paper is way different then shooting at someone shooting back. Even when training with simunitions it becomes very hard to control your breathing and steady your hand and get a good sight picture. If you've never actually pointed a firearm at someone ready to shoot them you won't have any idea how the adrenaline dump will affect you. If you really feel proficient with a .22 and would put your family safety behind it more power to you. I believe a person is more likely to pull off a body shot in a stressed situation. I have also seen videos of people being shot with different types of rounds. The smaller rounds have less stopping power than the larger rounds. The shotgun rounds had the greatest affect. Now if the target is high on certain drugs that can become a major factor. I have personally seen a guy jump off of a 30ft cliff and get up and walk away. He then walked 3 miles thru the mountains before turning himself in. He had a broken pelvis shattered arm and broken ribs. He was also high on some type of amphetamine at the time.I doubt shooting him with a small caliber would stop him immediately before he could stab or shoot you. Despite what you see in the movies people don't die as soon as they get shot. I would rather see someone pointing a .9mm at me than a 12 gauge any day. The shooter has to be way more proficient with the 9 to get a good shot on target than the 12 gauge. That's why my first suggestion was an 870 and second the judge a hand held shotgun. It was mentioned above about LEO choosing glocks over other brands. I know several officers in several agencies that choose what they carry and as far as I know most choose .40 cal or larger. I can't think of any that carry smaller on duty. If you honestly believe a new shooter will be proficient in shooting a small caliber in a stress situation as you can be shooting paper I think your crazy.

Anything 9mm or smaller is horrible for defense but for the most part cheaper can be cheaper at the range. The best gun I can recommend is the taurus judge. It is a revolver that shoots .45 long colt or .410 its cheap to shoot doesn't kick to bad for a revolver and with the .410 loads you don't have to be too accurate. Check out the winchester .410 defense rounds that were designed for the taurus judge. I believe smith and wesson have a similar gun with .45 acp .45 long colt .410 and maybe .454 called the governor. In a high stress situation the semi auto handguns become hard to use due to the body's fight or flight response affecting fine motor skills. It takes a lot of training to be able to overcome that and be able to get a good sight picture or take care of any malfunctions. Watch any police shoot out video they are trained often and still very seldom hit their target without unloading their gun by firing all the rounds in it. Also if you use it in a self defense situation you need to worry about over penetration (going into another room or house). Shot guns loaded with shot will get the job done without being as likely to go through your neighbours house also. I would recommend getting a short barrel .870 for home defense. 18.5in is the shortest you can get. They are inexpensive and easy to operate. Then after that get a taurus judge or sw governor. Then worry about a small cal range gun.

Miller was found in a vehicle between two barns near the intersection of Mink and Broad streets.

According to Orfie, the barn stored equipment and it had been broken into at least 20 times.

One man was taken into custody. The suspect was apprehended with use of a Taser and taken to Licking Memorial Hospital with chest pains, according to authorities.

Chest pains that's the big one inmates in prison use. I bet this guy has a record.

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Does a 97 HP v-twin really feel that much less powerful than a 108 HP sportbike? I get that I wouldn't have that shit your pants acceleration to 140 mph anymore' date=' but will that really feel underpowered?

Right now, Multi Bike Syndrome is focused on getting my wife on a bike, which she just recently shocked me by saying she was interested in getting her own and take the MSF course. So MBS means getting her off the back of mine and on to her own. I'll probably have multiples in the future when we both start our real careers and make some real money, but right now it's just not gonna happen. I'll be lucky if I can talk her into letting me spend more than my current bike is worth on a single bike, let alone having nearly $10k tied up into two bikes. Yeah mancard, I know.

The difference in the feeling of power is due to the power to weight ratio and gearing. The big cruisers I've ridden feel very sluggish. The lack of rpms is noticeable just when you feel the power start to kick in you hit the rev limiter. I think the most comfortable bikes for long distance are the touring bikes like the multistrada the kawi concours the bmw whatever it is. Look at the guys who ride looong rides like from Maine to southern California type rides. Those guys most often have the touring bikes mentioned above.

Is your r6 paid off? If so buy some cheap fairings a good set of sliders and lower it for your wife to learn on. As long as she is responsible with the throttle she'll be ok. Especially if someone else is teaching. Why sell a bike that she could use to learn on and you can take out when you feel the bug for a "spirited ride"?

Not really concerned for storage, just something i wouldn't mind riding for 4-5 hours on some day trips. The R6 just has me cringing at the thought of 3+ hour rides. Not a huge fan of the sport tourers or touring bikes from a styling perspective anyway. The NC700x isn't a bad looking bike.

Anyone own a victory who can comment on the comfort and ride?

I should also mention, my entire in-law family (extended, and grandparents) are all living in and from a small town in Iowa, so buying a bike made in Iowa would score some brownie points.

This may help. Victory test ride.

http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/test-ride/contact-information.aspx

Going from a sportbike to a cruiser is weird it takes awhile to get used to the lower redline and lack of any real powerband. Even the fastest cruisers are slow compared to most bikes. About a year and a half ago I traded my 07 cbr in for a yamaha stratoliner. It was a quick cruiser but it felt like going from a sports car to a cadillac. It was comfortable and handled great for its size it was just lacking in performance overall. But it was awesomely comfortable and massive. I pretty much regreted getting rid of the cbr although the cruiser way of riding was fun just different.

plus you're just a big softie...

And he's a ninja he doesn't need to fight with his stealth abilities. The enemy is dead way before they know he's there.

I wasn't trying to fight, the last thing I need to do is go to jail. I got kids and a job to worry about, I'm sure if I stayed at speedway any longer instead of leaving there would have been a fight . Even when the kid(he looked about 20) got in my face I didn't show any signs of wanting to fight him. I was just pissed off at the time and wanted to vent some. People just need to pay attention to the road before they kill/injury someone.

Glad you made it though it all ok. If your going to confront someone about their driving (aka road rage) you should expect and be prepared for a fight. People will shoot you over that shit nowadays.

What the heck kind of family dynamic makes a kid throw away his life just to p!ss off his dad? Worst I ever did to piss off my dad was hide his car keys. A lot.

Did you film his reaction? Nowadays that would make you YouTube famous.

Does that bike have a 30 day tag or is it just the way it looks on my phone?

I think its a historic tag, because that bike is HISTORY! LOL.

So he randomly shot some innocent dude for grins, and then he turned himself in?

Some f*cked up psychology going on there.

He's showing his dad he doesn't have to go to trade school and get a job. Prison will give him a warm bed three meals and all the time in the world to hang out with crazy fuckers like him all day.

A lady who works for me, about the same age as me thinks my bikes are scary death machines. She tells me that I'm an excitement junky and to slow down & act my age. When told her all about our ride to Newark and points south, she replies that sounds scary and dangerous. I asked what she did that Saturday. Stayed inside and made vegetable soup it was too cold for anything else. I didn't know what to say.

She sounds like a crazy cat lady.

Slide 16 is great you can see the vette drivers face as he is coming to realize he's going get hit by the biker. I bet his insurance will have a blast with those pics.

Wait he's 20 yrs old and had a handgun? That's not possible there's laws against that and shooting people!

I saw them on FB last night. Pretty cool hopefully it drops the price of the other models down.

Sweet bike! You ever take it off any sweet jumps? Lol.

Check out the Ohio thread on ADVrider, more action there for dual sports in the area, but I'm always down for some dirt and backroads. Will be out this weekend if it's nice.

Advrider is pretty good. I found a lot of rides out here on there when I had my dual sport.