Yea all the shit you have to do or pledge to or what ever to be in MC is dumb. Harley only club is also dumb, why discriminate on type of ride, Ill ride with a HD, Honda, Triumph, what ever. If you can have a group of people ride what you want, when you want, how you want and not have to jump through hoops to be a part of that's where ill be, wait a min I'm already here. Its about the quality of the people not the "status" of the club or your "place" there in. Most of the HD stereo types I don't like are weekend poker running, bar hopping, drunk driving soccer moms and dads that think they are bad asses just because they "own" a HD with shiney stuff that sits in a parking lot 90% of the time. But to each their own I guess.